Research Project Request
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WolframKonig | Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 2009, 12:52 PM | Message # 1 |
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| I would like to submit a request to begin several R&D projects. The first being work on creating several Phase Zero Darktroopers, who will be equiped with Battlefront-style Darktrooper armor. A second being work on recreating the Death Hunters. And the others being research into recreating various biological and chemical weapons, such as the Berserker Virus, Blue Shadow Virus, weaponized Brainrot Plague, weaponized Candorian Plague, Influenza Necrosi, Kaminoan nano-virus, Nano-destroyer, RNA Brainwashing Virus, Trihexalophine1138, Vira606, Trifaraleen Gas, synthisized Trauger Gas, Gray Death Virus, as well as the harvesting of Olabrian Trichoids. Two ships are required for this, non-military ships. A Imperial Research Ship, for the biological and chemical weapons research, with its hangar bays modified into massive labs, and equiped with a cloaking device, as well as a "sanitation device", a self destruct sequence which would annihilate every subject should the worst occur along with several safe guards in the event of a minor incident. Also, an Empirical-class Research Ship, for the Darktrooper and Death Hunter projects, also equiped with a cloaking device.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 2009, 5:00 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Well, as you know cloaking devices are never approved, ever or ever or also ever (at least, I think I still speak for the other managers in this, if not I apologize). So I vote to DENY the cloaking device and also the "Empirical-class" vessel, both because no such vessel was ever required for either the Dark Trooper or Death Hunter projects, and because there's no indication that there was ever more than one such vessel except for what Wookieepedia calls "rumors" to the contrary. Plus I really don't see the need to embellish this request with a canon vessel, anyway. However, I vote to APPROVE the virus research (on the condition that they won't be used without permission from management, since they are rather specifically prohibited in rule 2A), and reconstituting the Death Hunter project, since it is modest and something that originated in the Pentastar Alignment, anyway. But at this time, I really don't know enough about the Dark Troopers to comment one way or another, so while I do more research I think I'll let another manager post in that respect first. Jace Varitek
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WolframKonig | Date: Friday, 17 Apr 2009, 6:41 PM | Message # 3 |
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| The Phase Zero Darktroopers were either retired soldiers or active soldiers too wounded to serve in combat operations, that were cybernetically enhanced to be able to fight again. The only reason it was cancelled is at the time, the subjects were driven suicidal by what they believed their "loss of humanity". Now, a few different approaches will be taken to prevent this in the PA's attempt, but essentially, that's what I'm requesting with that.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 17 Apr 2009, 8:40 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Isn't that essentially the same thing as the Death Hunter project? It never quite seems specific on what the Death Hunters are, so could you not just say that's basically what that project is about, instead of actually using "Dark Troopers" per se? Seems like having two similar (if not identical) costly research projects would be redundant. Jace Varitek
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WolframKonig | Date: Saturday, 18 Apr 2009, 9:10 AM | Message # 5 |
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| They are two different project. While Phase Zero Darktroopers are old or wounded soldiers being given the ability to fight again, the Death Hunters come from a much different background. Death Hunters are taken from healthy male humans, aged 15 to 25. They then have every aspect of their physical abilities enhanced and brought above and beyond regular human capacity, including but not limited to... lifeform sensors, perfect eyesight with low light and macrozoom capabilities, near perfect hearing, and a communications suite including a wideband receiver and a tightband antenna, along with various things such as speed, running distance, endurance, strength, etc. They are developed to be the ultimate bounty hunter and assassin... where as the Phase Zeros are just cyborged to have the ability to fight again, and brought up to peak standard human performance.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 19 Apr 2009, 10:38 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Alrighty, I've finished my research on the Dark Troopers, and while I didn't see a mention to them being wounded soldiers, I did see reference to one troop of these soldiers causing "total devastation of the base and its surrounding city, resulting in a massive amount of Rebel and civilian casualties," and the fact that one single Dark Trooper killed the entire crew of a Mon Calamari cruiser and then, after it crashed on Tatooine, continued to "cause much chaos" before it was finally destroyed. There's also what I call the Jeeves Rule of Probabilities, that I usually apply in these sorts of situations. Here you have something (the Dark Troopers) that would be vastly beneficial to the Imperial Remnant both for its efficiency, and for the chronic recruitment problems that the Remnant generally experienced. And yet, it's never specifically mentioned in canon that anyone ever revisited the Dark Trooper project after it was shut down. The Jeeves Rule of Probabilities says that if something makes sense but doesn't occur in canon, there's probably a reason it doesn't occur in canon. What that reason is? Who knows? It could be that knowledge of the project was limited in the first place (which does seem to be the case, since the whole thing was apparently confined nonsensically to one ship), and that most of the Remnant simply doesn't know about it. That would be my guess. But in any case, for that reason and also their sheer destructive capability, I vote to DENY reinstituting that project. I also think the Death Hunters should suffice, since you don't really need two supersoldier projects. I also want to emphasize, though, that the Death Hunters never seem to have been intended for front line combat, but rather for special missions or, as Wookieepedia says, "dirty work." Jace Varitek
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WolframKonig | Date: Sunday, 19 Apr 2009, 9:34 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Man, focus...Phase Zero Darktroopers. That's it, no continuation, or implementation of the full Darktrooper project, only this early stage operation, and the armor they'll be using is just the Battlefront version, seen in the games. No more, no more. Any modifications beyond that to the armor, excluding weaponry, would be requested at a later date. As for your point on the Death Hunters being more special operations...that's their exact intention...and the frontline role would be fulfilled by the Phase Zero Darktroopers, which they are developed for...and the Death Hunters aren't.
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Havoc | Date: Monday, 20 Apr 2009, 11:49 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Ok, I'm stepping in now. I'm going to say as a member of management that let's see how you handle the the Death Hunter project. And IF you manage to handle it well and not abuse it, then I'll talk to everyone else about the Darktrooper Project. Let's not turn this into a long debate.
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EchuuShinzon | Date: Monday, 20 Apr 2009, 12:58 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Alright, having reviewed several of the artifacts listed above I'm not ready to cast my vote. Being the third member, you may consider portions of the request approved, and portions still pending as Havoc is still investigating the plausibility of your Darktrooper project. As such, and after extensive review, I see no need for any group within this roleplay to have super-soldiers (though the mere attempt at creating them could generate interesting RP). However, as the intent of the request is to actually have these soldiers available for use, I must regrettably DENY the Death Hunters. I am however, in somewhat of an interesting mood towards the virus research--however, I am apprehensive and indeed almost entirely against the research of so many deadly virus' by one faction. Therefore, I would like to see the request restricted to perhaps 1-2 virus' (3 maximum) before I would even remotely consider approving it (that being said, I would approve it). As for the Darktroopers, I am told Havoc has an ongoing investigation and therefore I will await his findings before casting a vote on it. In any case, I have not approved anything in your request, but I'm not outright denying the request because I believe with some modification your virus research could be beneficial. That being said, you may consider (by a 2-1 vote by management if Havoc's aforementioned comment counts as his vote) the Death Hunter APPROVED. The other two items are still pending, at least until such a time as my demand is met and I approve it, or Havoc casts his vote.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Monday, 20 Apr 2009, 1:32 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Thanks to Konig for pointing out where I was wrong, there. I suspected I might have been, and hoped you would set the record straight if so. That said, however, Phase Zero's are apparently exactly the same thing as Death Hunters, the only difference being that one is a wounded soldier and the other isn't. Do we really need two separate, essentially identical projects, one for wounded and another for those in good health? Seems like the unfortunately named Death Hunter project could easily be modified to accomodate both and still satisfy what you're looking for. Also, I appreciate you agreeing to the "special operations" clause. Just to clarify, though, since Wookieepedia seems to specify them for being replacements for bounty hunters, that's the sort of thing I would generally expect them to do. As far as the viruses are concerned, I don't disagree with Echuu's reservations. He's right that there should probably be a more finite number of them (because really, it only takes one, doesn't it?). Three seems like a reasonable limit. The reason that I, of all people, am generally approving of the idea is that they still have to be approved for their use on a case by case basis (under Rule 2A), and that's the point at which I'll no doubt be more crotchety. A lot more crotchety. But for now I'm all pants and smiles. Jace Varitek
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Havoc | Date: Monday, 20 Apr 2009, 6:01 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Ok, I've looked through, and I'm for your virus (granted management be consulted before usage). The Death Hunter and Darktroopers I have been reading up on, and after talking to Jace, I have come to this conclusion. We will allow you the Phase I trooper. Use the droid complex in connection with your Death Hunters to make them the ultimate covert agents for the PA. Think of this as a division problem. Take two numbers, and get a even number from it. Same for your request, combine the Death Hunters and Phase I trooper and you get a good balance. The Phase I can enhance the healthy soldier, as it can give the wounded or sick a fighting chance. And then call them the Death Hunters.
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Havoc | Date: Monday, 20 Apr 2009, 6:10 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Ok, for all you out there that can't read, let me Jinta this for you: Phase I troopers were droids. Use the Phase I parts to enhance the abilities of healthy soldiers. And use it to heal the sick. For the healthy soldiers, call them the Death Hunters.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Monday, 20 Apr 2009, 7:06 PM | Message # 13 |
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| We were talking about Phase Zero's though, right? I was proposing to combine the Phase Zero's (not Phase 1's) into the Death Hunter project, which is basically the same thing, and call them all Death Hunters whether they were wounded or healthy. Otherwise I think we're agreed. Jace Varitek
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WolframKonig | Date: Tuesday, 21 Apr 2009, 5:54 PM | Message # 14 |
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| So essentialy Jace, what you're saying is to merge the Phase Zero Darktrooper and Death Hunter research projects into one group and essentially create a cadre of elite supersoldiers, per se? As for the special operations "clause"...that was off the assumption that they were two seperate items. These new, Advanced Death Hunters...would be used in special operaions roles, in black ops roles, in roles in place of bounty hunters, assassins, etc. and also see front line service, more as a "Combat advisor" role, one single Death Hunter leading squads or even platoons of Army forces and Stormtroopers...as well as an forward shock force. That would essentially combine these two in one, both in being and operation. I kinda like it...bearing of course clarification here from Havoc on if he wants the Phase Zero or the Phase I worked in. With the Phase I...then I'd have to ask for something in relativity to their armor. In that I would want to request then Phase II Exosuits and use of the Assault Cannon by officers. As for the WMDs... Weaponized Brainrot Plague, Weaponized Candorian Plaque, and RNA Brainwashing Virus.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 21 Apr 2009, 7:41 PM | Message # 15 |
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| You had me right, except in your description of them serving front line, combat roles. So in that case I vote to DENY the Death Hunter project as well, because personally I'm not going to approve of supersoldiers for any sort of battlefield role. As for the viruses, my song remains the same. Also, if you plan to now expand the request to include Phase I's or apparently II's, I'd recommend posting that request separately, since this one is becoming rather confused already. Jace Varitek
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