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Taja_Lohden | Date: Tuesday, 02 Nov 2010, 1:43 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Senators, in light of recent events surrounding the controversial and, I'm glad to say, successful administration of Representative Oswaldt's act to abolish the Interspecies Advisory Committee, I am proposing what may be perceived as a radical movement to revolutionise politics under the Imperial regime. I do not doubt that this will be met with resistance from a select few Senators, though I hope they can see the greater good in it. __________ The Imperial Loyalist Committee 1. All current committee's are to be immediately abolished, their duties relegated to the chair and its subordinates for temporary holding. Current committee chairmen and women will be required to appeal and reapply for their former positions, with a testimony as to why they are suited for that role, what they can offer, and why it shouldn't be relegated to another being. All members of said committee's will be provided for on a basic survival income, until the outcome of the appeal and testimony is delivered, where upon they will be returned to their former positions (pending review), or alternatively, offered any available positions by the chair. 2. To counter the negative effects of placing such high and numerous responsibilities on the already-busy chair, an Imperial Loyalist Committee will be established, comprising myself (Senator Taja Lohden) and any successful applicants with proven track record, as to be decided by the Grand Vizier or any he delegates the task to. The purpose of the Loyalist Committee will be to deliver a united front on urgent motions, sensitive acts or anything that falls under the category of Imperial well-being. 3. Senators and delegates with a suspicious track record, including hindering beneficial votes, fearmongery, illicit and seditious speeches and/or actions, or any other evidence whether verbal or actual (as to be decided by the Grand Vizier or pushed into motion by the Emperor), are subject to immediate scrutiny and review by the Loyalist Committee, whose vote and opinions will be presented in a hearing to determine the future standing and term of said suspicious Senator or delegate. __________ As I said, heated debate is expected, though I urge Senators to think of the good this will do for the galaxy. With a government able to faster deliver a final vote on pressing matters, as well as the rooting out of politicians with ill intent on their minds such as the unfortunate case of Senator Crion, the stability of the Imperial regime will only increase. In the past, the Loyalist Committee worked closely with the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic to debate upon and deliver decisive motions to help deal with the growing Seperatist crisis. Now, despite the end of such a crisis, we face a new one; a political threat to the very Empire we welcomed, a growing disturbance among the people we represent because of fear-mongering Senators, and a political system that is beginning to degrade because nobody is willing to tarnish their own name to give the people what, eventually, will be for their own good. Allow me to be, presumably, the first to stand up and say that I vote in favour of everything I've proposed, and to damnation with the press and any who think worse of me for it.
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 03 Nov 2010, 1:03 AM | Message # 2 |
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| I applaud your intent, Senator, but I wonder if perhaps your measure goes a bit too far. Where I take issue with you is on the matter of disbanding all standing committees. I would remind you that all of the committees were re-organized in the manner that you describe in the infant days of the Empire, and since that time His Majesty and the Ruling Council have had discretion over who shall chair them. Presumably, by now, the committees are as His Majesty wishes them to be. Indeed, mere days ago I had the honor of being appointed to chair the Commerce Committee, and already we are doing good work for the Empire. It wouldn't do to have this work impeded (unnecessarily, in my opinion) by Article 1 of this measure. Also, with respect to Article 2, as the chair is the representative of His Majesty in the Imperial Senate, I don't find it seemly to strip him of any powers he may need to convey to us—and to carry out—the Emperor's will in this august chamber. I do not oppose the concept of a Loyalist Committee, however. Particularly one whose responsibility it would be to endorse (or, as the case may be, refuse to endorse) proposals on the basis of whether or not they are consonant with the principles and policies of the Empire. But I do feel this measure is in need of revision in this regard.
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Wednesday, 03 Nov 2010, 10:25 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Obviously I welcome your opinions and criticisms, Senator Cambrist, and I would like to take the time to address your concerns and make practical revisions to my proposal. I will agree with you that the committees are as His Majesty wishes them to be, or at least they're allowing themselves to be perceived that way. I envision that my proposed temporary abolition of all committee's will merely help to weed out and cull the deadweight, which will hopefully be of a very minor scale. I do not intend to see a dramatic re-working of every committee, and have everyone's work and effort put to nothing. Infact, I envision most committee's returning to their former ways, once their leaders have made a valid and accepted argument as to why they are better in that position versus somebody else stepping up. You make mention of article 2, where I fear I have not been clear enough. It is not the intent of this proposition to relieve the chair of its current duties, only those we would be imposing upon the chair by temporarily (and, hopefully, for a very brief time) disbanding those committee's. With this being said, I have come to feel that section 1 and 2 are largely invalid and problematic points of action, ones which could much easier be solved by a thorough review performed by a Loyalist Committee, or by the chair itself. To prevent any confusion, I am amending my proposal to the following, brief though it may be: __________ The Imperial Loyalist Committee 1. To assist with the high and numerous responsibilities on the already-busy chair, along with the oft-times strenuous nature of wringing a clear-cut decision from the Senate, an Imperial Loyalist Committee will be established, comprising myself (Senator Taja Lohden) and any successful applicants with proven track record, as to be decided by the Grand Vizier or any he delegates the task to. The purpose of the Loyalist Committee will be to deliver a united front on urgent motions, sensitive acts or anything that falls under the category of Imperial well-being, as well as to partake in events, investigations and advisory meetings with the welfare of the Empire in mind. 1. All current committee's will be subject to review by the Loyalist Committee, their duties and aims called into question for fair judgement. Any committee chairman or women who is decided to be unfit for carrying their committee forward for the betterment of the Empire and its people will be required to appeal and reapply for their former positions (with approval of the Loyalist's decision from the Grand Vizier), with a testimony as to why they are suited for that role, what they can offer, and why it shouldn't be relegated to another being. 3. Senators and delegates with a suspicious track record, including hindering beneficial votes, fearmongery, illicit and seditious speeches and/or actions, or any other evidence whether verbal or actual (as to be decided by the Grand Vizier or pushed into motion by the Emperor), are subject to immediate scrutiny and review by the Loyalist Committee, whose vote and opinions will be presented in a hearing to determine the future standing and term of said suspicious Senator or delegate. __________ I hope this is a satisfactory amendment, but I must reiterate that this is not a simple excuse to call into question anyone who makes an unfavourable vote against topics which will benefit the Empire. It is simply an insurance policy, to make sure that our Senate is not seeded with corruption as it was in the days of old, and to push our political system forward along with the New Order. This is for the betterment of the Empire (and its people, though I for one think its time to stop making that distinction), and I am not asking you to vote for a lynch mob to target any Senator we see fit. If there are further questions, I am happy as always to clarify.
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Milliardo_Peacecraft | Date: Wednesday, 03 Nov 2010, 1:13 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Senator Lohden, while your heart may be in the right place. I cannot personally see how this act will not cause anything but witch hunts. My dear comrade and queen has spoken out against many of the propositions within these chambers, I cannot help but feel that she may one of the first people to be seriously looked at by this committee. Why? Because she speaks her mind and votes with her heart, she does not blindly follow like many others have. This act would essentially create a voting block, a group of senators who will have the power to sway all votes within these chambers. This cannot be good for democracy. Those who think differently than the main stream should not fear being removed from their positions or this body, even though their hearts belong to this body, to the Empire. I am sorry, but I must vote against the creation of such a committee. It will only cause ill-will towards each other in the end. Who is not to say that we will not all start turning on each other and begin to slander each others names, so we may seem to be more loyal to the Empire, to the Emperor than the person, the senator, the representative, beside us. As of right now, Garos IV votes against the creation of the mentioned Loyalty Committee. Milliardo Peacecraft Representative, Garos IV
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Wednesday, 03 Nov 2010, 1:49 PM | Message # 5 |
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| As I've stated, it is not the intention of this proposal to instigate a lynch mob or a witch hunt, as you put it, Representative Peacecraft. Should such things occur, it will fall to the committee to put an end to such disgrace, as witch hunts among the Senate are as dangerous and corrosive to the Empire as sedition and fear-mongery in the Senate. I cannot say at this point in time whether or not Senator Cerra would fall under scrutiny, but to my knowledge she has committed no crime nor given reason for anyone to suspect her actions. She has, to the best of her ability, stood firm with her and her peoples principles, nothing more The committee is simply to better liase with the chair, and to present unification on various matters which may arise, to help speed along essential and critical votes. Whether it be for or against certain acts will be decided not by one person, but by the entire committee, which will discuss compromises, amendments etc to the point where a reasonable vote can be decided and changes proposed not only for the better wellbeing of the Empire, but to appease the civillians that we represent on as many fronts as possible. I am sorry that Garos IV sees this as an attack against democracy. It is merely an attempt to bring together a small group of Senators with the welfare of the Empire at heart.
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Milliardo_Peacecraft | Date: Wednesday, 03 Nov 2010, 2:13 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I fear it will turn into a powerful voting block, like the Republic once had. That very corruption that you wish to stop, to prevent, is what will end up happening. I can only see the negatives with such a bill. Power given to a few, a select few tends to cause issues. It always has historically and always will. I still cannot vote for such a committee.
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Wednesday, 03 Nov 2010, 2:39 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I am sensing that your mind is set, as far as this matter is concerned, and that words alone will not be able to sway you, Representative Peacecraft. While it is nice to see Garos IV has another voice speaking for its people, I cannot hide my concern any longer... your very words alone are what the Imperial Loyalist Committee will be fighting against. Such delusions, such paranoia... these things spread fear and uncertainty throughout the Senate arena and it is that, Representative, which causes voting blocks, not the unified front which this committee will provide. The committee will not be large enough to pose any threat or 'issues', and we will be empowered only so far as the chair see's fit. You're seeing nothing but negatives because history tells you to do so, but the other thing about history is that it teaches us to learn from past mistakes. The Loyalist Committee of our decadent past had its failings, yes, but it also had merits, Representative Peacecraft, merits which should be expanded upon and perfected, merits which you appear to be glossing over in your pursuit of fear-mongery. If your vote is against this, then so be it, but I will no longer be personally corresponding with delegates from Garos IV on this particular subject, unless it be outside the Senate rotunda. Your opinions are well heard and well known. Good day, Representative. Does anyone else have anything to add to this matter, or amendments to suggest?
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Titus_Veritas | Date: Wednesday, 03 Nov 2010, 4:41 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I am proud, Senator Lohden, to see such a fellow patriot in this body. While at times you allow your patriotism to overtake you, I believe you will find the balance that is necesarry over time. I vote in favor of this legislation, following Senator Lohden's amendment.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY) Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Thursday, 04 Nov 2010, 5:19 PM | Message # 9 |
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| You say, Senator Lohden, that you want to use this Committee to bring together a small group of senators with the welfare of the Empire at heart. Is that not what this chamber is for? After all, the Empire is made up of it's citizens, whom are represented in this chamber by ALL of us, not just a small group. I believe, despite the differing opinions of some in this chamber, that dissolving all of current committees would do more harm than good. Not only will it upset the beings on the committees, but also those that the committee supports. In doing so, do you not think there is a risk that those groups would in turn rebel against the Empire that you only wish to support? Why create more rebellion by taking away rights and freedoms simply because some have opinions that differ from your own? That is part of the beauty of this chamber. Not everyone agrees. Nor will they ever agree. Nor should they ever agree, Senator Lohden. It would defeat the purpose of what we do here. With that being expressed, I would like to vote against this proposal based on the aforementioned reasons.
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Friday, 05 Nov 2010, 10:43 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Senator Thanatos, that is indeed what this chamber is for, however it saddens me to say that it is not what this chamber is always used for. Too often as of late, Senators have used this chamber to oppose measures which would greatly benefit the Empire, with little reasoning other than 'it would upset my people and make me look bad'. The Imperial Loyalist Committee would be dedicated to eschewing such base needs as popularity and the paranoia of the untested minorities among our people. Every culture has people who are afraid of change, and if we are to accomodate every such need - as many Senators try to, in vain - then we won't get very far. And had you paid close attention to my amendments, I am no longer proposing to disband any committee. I admit it was a flaw in my original proposition, and as Senator Titus eloquently puts it, I was allowing my patriotism to overtake me. Upsetting the beings in the committees, incidentally, is something that could occur with any bill. This committee will not be formed with the intent of targeting any one group, but all groups will face some scrutiny as to where they are failing, where they are succeeding, and most will be left unchanged. As I also stated, the decisions reached by the committee will not be absolute, and must be screened by the chair before even reaching these halls. And as for your worries of rebellion, those are exactly the fears and unwanted predictions that plague this chamber far too often, Senator. The days of Separatists are far behind us, and the Loyalist Committee will see to it that such trepiditions of the ghosts of our past will be stamped from these halls, so we may benefit the Empire without having to look over our shoulders in fear of upsetting our neighbours, or stirring a 'rebellion'. I do not expect everyone to agree, to all stand up and hold hands and rejoice in the justice and diplomacy of our politics. I would be a fool if I did. And I think you misjudge my intent if you believe I expect this committee to hold majority; no, Senator Thanatos, it is simply a way for a select few, with a similar mind for progressive politics rather than the backward-thinking beauracrats and pessimists that populate the Rotunda, to present new ideas in a united manner. Incidentally, I am interested to hear Senator Oriel's views on this proposal. And if the chair has anything to add, myself and the people of Kaal are always happy to accomodate its suggestions.
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 05 Nov 2010, 11:13 AM | Message # 11 |
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| I am profoundly in favour of your legislation. It is prudent, wise and makes sense.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 09 Nov 2010, 2:31 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Ever overjoyed to see a bill which will ensure the installment of Imperial Loyalists to positions of responsibility in this house. I vote in favour. I would also like to point out that those who are not firmly in favour of this bill ought to question if they are appropriate to sit in this Senate Chamber..
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Tuesday, 09 Nov 2010, 3:37 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Thank you, Senators Oriel and Ordan, for showing support in the name of Imperial stability. While it is true that voting against a measure that will only help to further cement the unity of the Empire is indeed questionable, I wouldn't go so far as to accuse their integrity or their right to be here. It is without a doubt imperative that the whole spectrum of views be heard before a vote can be decided, and despite my misgivings with Representative Peacecraft and certain others on this matter, it is useful to know that not everyone is afraid to hide behind false loyalties, and will openly display their malcontent with anything that upsets them, Imperialistic or otherwise.
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Crin_Star | Date: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 4:23 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I know that it may be a late addition but I will add my vote in favor of this legislation
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LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 4:38 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Druckenwell is in favor of this bill.
Lomen Ryuun Senator, Doldur Sector Senator, Druckenwell Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY) Representative, Geridard Representative, Boranall Representative, Therenor Prime Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended) Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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