The Non-huMan Voting Act
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 2:29 AM | Message # 16 |
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| That is very accomodating, though personally I had no qualms against the originally proposed measures concerning non-Human sentients, since their degree of sentience in relation to Humans should dictate their lesser rights in Human matters. But I digress. Since I have no further comment, other than to thank you for this carefully devised act, I vote in favour.
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LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 3:52 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Senator Ordan, you have my full vote in favor.
Lomen Ryuun Senator, Doldur Sector Senator, Druckenwell Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY) Representative, Geridard Representative, Boranall Representative, Therenor Prime Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended) Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 3:53 AM | Message # 18 |
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| As Senator Ordan has shown good sense and not a complete disregard towards aliens, I am cautious... but I shall cast my vote in favor as well.
Toben Domon Senator, Sluis Van
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Exar_Ray | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:05 AM | Message # 19 |
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| I agree that we should have standards such as this. I vote in favor.
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Crin_Star | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 10:28 AM | Message # 20 |
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| "Senator Ordan, it is so nice of you to continue to attempt to drive stakes into the unity of the Empire. Dress this up as you may, attempt to disguise it how you will what this still boils down to is discrimination. Discrimination against women, aliens, near-humans and everyone who in your eyes was not fortunate enough to be born a human male, should not and must not be Imperial policy. Now as for the 'good doctors,' if the term is used loosely, assertions and even the assertions of the senator in question that women are somehow inferior to men I would remind the Senator of the Chair's warning to not be provocative and would bring in a recent study conducted by the Imperial Medical Association(IMA): there were no discernable differences between the sexes in terms of ability in mathematics. The study examining the test scores of nearly 350 million college age students looked at the results of their Imperial College Entrance Exam(ICEE), and found astounding results showing the women were no less capable than men in terms of cognitive ability. The IMA, went on to explain that this was likely due to the quality of education available to students rather than simple matters of gender. The paper went on to theorize that the perception of women being weaker in mathematics typically comes from gender stereotypes assigned during the early years of education namely around the Second grade. But, you may say mathematics is only a single issue one of many and you would be right. Mathematics isn’t the only thing to consider when determining capabilities. Alright based on that how about other recent studies conducted by no less than the Imperial Center Institute for Scientific Research(ICISIR) found: The volume of the superior temporal cortex, expressed as a proportion of total cerebral volume, was significantly larger in females compared with males (17.8% increase; P = .04). This was accounted for by 1 section of the superior temporal cortex, the planum temporale, which was 29.8% larger in females (P = .04). In addition, the cortical volume fraction of the Broca area in females was 20.4% larger than in males (P = .05). What does this mean? Well according the studies own conclusions: “Our results suggest that females have proportionally larger Wernicke and Broca language-associated regions compared with males. These anatomical differences may correlate with superior language skills previously demonstrated in females.” And just in case that doesn’t make things perfectly clear to you, Senator, ‘Doctor,’ let me add one last study recently published in the Journal of Genetics by Dr. Greg House. In the study of the gene which allows the perception of the color red women once again bested men because the gene is carried on the X chromosome and if you managed to pay any attention in biology class women have two of them while men have an X and a Y chromosome. Okay but maybe my point is not clear yet? That women are NOT inferior to men and should not be discriminated against as your bill would provide. I can continue on all day but there are other points that will have to be discussed first. You will find that the galaxy has moved on from such assertions of chauvinism that women are inferior to men and even reputable scientific journals will dispute the fact. As much as your quack of a doctor would like to try and say otherwise far more credible organizations have already written on this matter and have proven his opinions to be what they truly are: Archaic and not helpful moving forward into the future. To your other points, do we really wish to alienate the other sentient beings in this galaxy and discount their voice? This body was formed for the purpose of allowing the voices of the people be heard. Of all people not just one particular race. Without the Interspecies Advisory Committee, which we agreed needed to be removed so that this body could absorb its responsibilities as a place where beings of all races could congregate to have our voices heard we should not neglect that or to arbitrarily say that someone’s voice can’t be heard because they are different from us. Instead we should celebrate differences and come together here to work as a united galaxy for the betterment of the empire and the galaxy for ourselves and our posterity. So in case it isn't obvious to a man like yourself senator, I vote against this piece of legislation clearly meant to divide this great empire.
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Sate_Pestage | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 11:27 AM | Message # 21 |
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| COMPNOR shall consult with the Imperial Medical Association on how it may better spend its time and resources from now on. Mind you, Senator Star, I do not dispute the findings of the IMA's study (what I've read of it, that is), but I do question its relevance. Senator Ordan, in no way do I dissuade you from your views with regard to women—indeed, they are views held by many in the Empire. However, be that as it may, it is the opinion of the chair that it would be indelicate for those views to be made policy at this time, and I ask that they not be reflected in this legislation. The legislation is quite right, however, with regard to aliens. Senator Domon, you are warned that misanthropy will not be tolerated in this chamber. Do not disparage the human temperament, Senator. Be it responsible for "murder" and "wars," it is also responsible for innovation. This, I suspect, is why the Sluis Van shipyard is persistently slow compared to its human competitors, who are more efficient, also. Indeed, there is little doubt that humans are the superior species. This is a fact that is recognized in Imperial policy and in the edicts of His Majesty. However, Senator Star, this does not disparage other species—indeed, most other species are simply creatures of their environment. Naturally, one is repulsed by their barbarous ways, but one cannot but pity them, also. That is why, as Senator Ordan noted, it is the responsibility of humans to defend the lesser species from exploitation, and to take such measures on their behalf as will provide for them suitable work, housing, etc. Whether they should vote, I will leave to the Senate's consideration. However, the reason I intrude upon this discussion is to make known to those of you who aren't aware that sentience is determined by COMPNOR. I fear that the recent amendment pertaining to "sentience tests" may conflict with this, and I would ask the authors of the legislation and the amendment to address this and ensure that this is not the case. And I thank you, Mr. Cratwright. You are dismissed, and your remarks will be entered into the record as a statement by the Anaxes delegation.
Sate Pestage Grand Vizier of the Empire Assistant to Emperor Palpatine Chair of the Imperial Senate
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 1:06 PM | Message # 22 |
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| *Ja’nar was exhausted and stressed and it was showing as she rose to her full height, which was not great, though she carried herself well. * Senators, while I know revisions have been made to this bill. I cannot in good conscious vote in favor of it. I have taken a bit of time before speaking to truly think about the impacts of a legislative act such as this. I can see no good coming from it. While I am glad that some sense was spoken with in this chamber pertaining to the rights of women, I still feel like a great injustice has been done to them. Females are not inferior to men and if we are speaking our minds here, I feel as if females are actually superior. We have the capacity to truly care for other beings. Not only that, females have an uncanny way of knowing when things are about to happen, another sense that our male counterparts lack. But I digress, as for the issue of alien beings and their rights. Who are we to take away rights from any being? Many non-humans are more intelligent than any of us. They put us to shame. They offer their own special skills, knowledge and talents. All of you were fighting this act so fervently and then you all caved in. You changed your votes. Why? Fundamentally, this act is ethnically corrupt. I cannot vote in favor of this. Garos IV casts a NOT in favor of this bill.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 3:45 PM | Message # 23 |
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| I vote strongly against this measure. I am the Representative of the human residents of Naboo, but humans do not inhabit the world alone. To disenfranchise the Gungans to any extent offends all beings on Naboo (cyborgs and droids, too. Naboo has a proud history of permitting them to vote as well, and it has not impoverished our society and our politics in the slightest). I am tempted to say that this should be a local issue—that each world should determine for itself who votes and who doesn't. But the truth is that this is an Imperial issue, in that the Empire should be guaranteeing these rights for all sentient beings, not taking them away. But since that is the intent of this measure, and the practice on many worlds, I find myself making the morally timid argument that, for now, each world should indeed be able to decide, based on its own people and population, who is entitled to vote and who is not. Because, at the least, I see no reason why worlds who would permit more beings to vote should be told that they cannot do so. Would Senator Ordan be willing to compromise to this effect? It would make no difference to Anaxes, but would mean a lot to a great many men, women, Gungs, and droids on my world.
Artemis Vanden Representative of the Naboo
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RonsardEntrente | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:10 PM | Message # 24 |
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| This bill is a blatant attempt to disenfranchise alien worlds that are under the direct stewardship of the Empire, such as Kashyyyk, Mon Calamari, Neimoidia, Duros, and others where the native alien population is a majority, but does not have a stake in the representation to the Imperial Senate. How can this Body tackle complex, galactic-spanning issues without the input of both human and alien constituencies? We human senators are being arrogant and presumptive if we assume we know what's best for the Empire just because we are human. It is a detriment to this galactic government if we constrict the voting rights of other sentient species, while falsely inflating the votes of us humans. With bills like these, it is not surprising the most fervent dissent to our Empire originates in non-human planets. Commenor votes against this motion.
Ronsard Entrente Senator of Commenor Ranking Member, Commerce Committee
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Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Wednesday, 17 Nov 2010, 2:44 AM | Message # 25 |
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| I must strongly vote against this. I believe the Non-Humans should possess the same rights the Humans have in this galaxy. Just because they are different doesn't mean they should be treated as such.
Tremaine Fowlkes Senator of Telos IV
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 17 Nov 2010, 6:31 PM | Message # 26 |
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| Vjun believes the amended motion is abundantly fair. I vote in favour of this motion, and note to senator cerra that sexism has been removed while aliens have been given the chance of avsentience test... So the motion doesn't throated anyones rights.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Titus_Veritas | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 0:39 AM | Message # 27 |
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| This legislation is a step in the right direction on voting reform, and I applaud Senator Ordan for it. I vote In Favor.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY) Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 19 Nov 2010, 10:21 PM | Message # 28 |
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| Grand Vizier I'm confident that these sentience tests will have the same results as those that would be concluded by COMPNOR academics. *He spoke implying to the chair that COMPNOR as the examining body could assure this was the case.* I won't compromise with Naboo and allow clanking droids and semi sentient beasts to be counted as equal to that of humans on Naboo. Why should humans be ruled by an alienocracy on Naboo? You think that a gunman semi-moron is your equal? A vending machine? A power droid? Of course not, voting rights must be uniform across the Empire to prevent inequalities.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Robert_North | Date: Friday, 19 Nov 2010, 10:36 PM | Message # 29 |
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| Personally, I'd like to see only Humans being able to vote across the board, as those the likes of Vanden and Cerra are likely to manipulate the unfortunately soft-minded Aliens, but I guess, for the sake of a more unified appearance, and to get some sort of reform into the electoral system, I will vote In Favor of this. Thank you Senator Ordan for this legislation, on behalf of Imperial Center.
The Honorable R.C.W. North Senator of Imperial Center Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee Mayor of the Galactic/Imperial City (22 BBY-18 BBY)
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Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 22 Nov 2010, 10:17 AM | Message # 30 |
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| Thank you for your answer, Senator Ordan. However, who would administer these sentience tests? This is an important point, I think, and one that should be clarified.
Sate Pestage Grand Vizier of the Empire Assistant to Emperor Palpatine Chair of the Imperial Senate
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