Elimination of Health Benefits for Non-Human Senators
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 22 Nov 2010, 2:19 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The Senate provides its human members with generous health benefits, as it should. But I don't see why it should pay for the health care of non-human Senators. After all, the Senate is mostly human now, and humans are more resilient to disease. Having a health care plan that has to include aliens, with their strange infirmities, only makes it more expensive for the rest of us. I propose health benefits for alien senators be eliminated, and I vote in favor.
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 22 Nov 2010, 2:21 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Governor, the nonhumans in the Senate are just as subject to many of the diseases that affect us. I see no reason to not allow them health care. I vote against.
Lomen Ryuun Senator, Doldur Sector Senator, Druckenwell Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY) Representative, Geridard Representative, Boranall Representative, Therenor Prime Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended) Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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Crin_Star | Date: Monday, 22 Nov 2010, 2:30 PM | Message # 3 |
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| "Governor no, they are just as deserving of these benefits as the rest of us so I vote against this measure
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Monday, 22 Nov 2010, 3:11 PM | Message # 4 |
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| My question to the Governor; why stop at the Senate? It is a fact that many aliens have completely different biological needs, neurological needs and who-knows-what else in comparison with Humans. I feel the Empire should not only cease to give health benefits to members of the Senate suffering afflictions exclusive to their own races, but to the populace in general. With the Human (and, to most degrees, Near-Human) anatomy having been fully explored and understood by most physicians and scientists the Empire has to offer, would it not save us a lot of credits by offering exclusivity to Humankind while allowing other species the care and expertise of their own worlds' doctors? Surely, such worlds wouldn't object to funding their own medical sciences in order to provide better treatment to their own kind, and it would free further benefits for the use of those endorsed by the Empire as the supreme race. Just a thought, Governor Oswaldt.
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Monday, 22 Nov 2010, 3:14 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I am also voting, emphatically, against this proposal. The "non-human" senators in question, are exactly that, Senators. Governor Oswaldt, they deserve the same health benefits as the rest of us. There is absolutely no reason for this to be taken away due to race.
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 22 Nov 2010, 8:11 PM | Message # 6 |
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| A point of clarification. For the most part, Senator Lohden, worlds are indeed responsible for their own health care programs, for the reasons that you describe. The only program of this sort that is administered by the Empire is the one for Senators and other employees of the Empire.
Sate Pestage Grand Vizier of the Empire Assistant to Emperor Palpatine Chair of the Imperial Senate
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Fabio | Date: Tuesday, 23 Nov 2010, 9:09 AM | Message # 7 |
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| You wish to disable our fellow senator's health care... Just because they are different? do you not see the folly in that? I vote against.
Fabio Riada. King of Anobis.
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Exar_Ray | Date: Tuesday, 23 Nov 2010, 9:16 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Non-humans or not, we are all allies of the Empire, and I will not screw over a friend of the Senate. I vote against.
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RonsardEntrente | Date: Tuesday, 23 Nov 2010, 1:09 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Commenor also votes against this measure. If we are to curtail the health care expenses of the Senate, we should cut them for the entire Senate. I see no other valid reasons for cutting health care expenses than budgetary reasons.
Ronsard Entrente Senator of Commenor Ranking Member, Commerce Committee
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Titus_Veritas | Date: Tuesday, 23 Nov 2010, 8:30 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I must, surprisingly, vote Against this, on the merit that I do not believe that those that have enlightened themselves and come over to the Empire's fold, should be treated as such, regardless of species. Instead, I believe this benefit should be revoked from Senators and Representatives, who clearly present a threat of dissent, on a case-by-case basis, regardless of species or world.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY) Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 24 Nov 2010, 8:35 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I'm not talking to you until you get a haircut, Riada. This is the Senate, for Force sake. Show some respect to this chamber and to yourself, man. Get to a barber and tell him you're tired of looking like a joke. A Twi'lek prostitute wouldnt let you in her pants even if you had ten thousand credits in hand, looking the way you do. No soup kitchen on Eriadu would serve you. A Gorax would refuse to eat you, although it might mistake you for a mate. Hell, there could be one residing in your beard and you wouldn't know it. Honestly, man. You're a Senator, not some clerk at a head shop. Get yourself cleaned up or I'll call for a vote of confidence for "conducting yourself in a manner unfit for office". Mr. Entrente, do you deny that this measure woulld save money?
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Crin_Star | Date: Wednesday, 24 Nov 2010, 10:08 PM | Message # 12 |
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| "Governor Oswaldt, this is not a forum for insulting members of the Senate. He is a senator just like yourself and his personal appearance is of NO concern to you. He is here to represent his people and if he feels that his hair in no way hinders his ability to do so, then you should simply respect his position in the Senate as a fellow representative from an Imperial World. I move that the chair strikes both Senator Oswaldt's remarks from the record as well as my own."
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Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Thursday, 25 Nov 2010, 5:40 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Governor Oswaldt, I must say I am disappointed in you. The Non-Human Senators should have as much rights as the Human ones does. If the health benefits does not apply to the Non-Human Senators, then how could they afford to pay for medical care? To do so only goes to show that the Humans act superior to those that aren't Humans. I am a Human myself, but I have many friends among different species. I believe they should receive the same benefits as we do. I strongly vote against Governor Oswaldt's ridiculous proposal.
Tremaine Fowlkes Senator of Telos IV
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Thursday, 25 Nov 2010, 10:31 AM | Message # 14 |
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| I wish I could say I'm disappointed in you Senator Fowlkes but sadly this is exactly the sort of thing I expect from you. Quote The Non-Human Senators should have as much rights as the Human ones does. So if a Neimoidian senator has brainworm rot type C (again) he should be able to stand in this chamber and infect every senator of every planet in the Empire? No. He would be quarantined, because his susceptibility to disease means he doesn't have the same rights as everyone else. Same thing here. In both cases humans are paying a price for some alien's disease. Is that fair to us? No Quote If the health benefits does not apply to the Non-Human Senators, then how could they afford to pay for medical care? Senator, do you think this is something I care about? But the fact is they can get their own people to pay for their health care instead of us. Its only right.. aliens know alien biology and medicine better than we do. Quote I believe they should receive the same benefits as we do. If they received the same benefits as we do there would be no problem. But they're not humans, Senator.. they have strange infirmities that require expensive care, and that makes it more expensive for all of us. Senator Entrentre, I ask again in your opinion, would this bill or wouldnt it save money?
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Thursday, 25 Nov 2010, 4:07 PM | Message # 15 |
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| So basically, Governor, you want to cut non-human senators health benefits to save money? I understand that. But in doing that you are basically saying that they do not have the same rights as those senators who are human, just because their needs are different. Therefore, you are using the guise of saving money as an excuse to promote further discrimination?
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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