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Imperial Civilian Oversight Committee
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 19 May 2011, 0:40 AM | Message # 1 |
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| The Petition for the Formation of the Imperial Civilian Oversight Committee In the recent months there has been an escalation in Rebel threats, violence and rumors of worlds declaring their independence from the empire. Worlds like Alurion, being the most recent, are finding themselves on the outer rim with no real guiding hand, only seeing the Empire when a petty criminal or warlord proclaims the planet as independent, only to see the Empire and its influence disappear all together when the threat is gone. While it saddens many to see that our brothers and sisters of the Empire would go so far as to drastically proclaim themselves separated from the Empire, and threatening a new "Clone War" for lack of better terms, we still must look to the actions taken by those put in command of these Missions. Was the destruction of Alurion truly necessary. Was there any other way to bring peace, did the captain exhaust all other efforts before firing a single shot that lead to the mass destruction. These are questions that the people ask, and deserve to have answered. It is time that the Imperial Military and Navy answer to the people that they are sworn to protect, the common civilian who is stuck between the Rebels that are bringing about this chaos, and the Imperial military that is trying to bring order. Too often it is the civilian that comes out injured, and nothing is done to give them answers as to why their home is now in shambles. Article I This Petition is being represented on behalf of the people of the Empire, to give them a voice on the matters on the actions of those in charge of missions that often lead to destruction on a wide scale. This Committee would be tasked with viewing the case files of the most horrendous actions and atrocities that have befallen the people of the Galactic Empire. Section I A Committee would be formed that is made up of Imperial Civilians. These Civilians would be elected in bi-yearly elections, to ensure that no member would sit on the Committee for too long as to prevent such a member from influencing the Committee due to favors given by politicians or military officials. Section II Those who are elected would under go a strict back ground checked before they are allowed to take their seat. Those who refuse will be denied their seat, and the runner up for that seat will take the place of the one who refuses the back ground check. Section III Each member of the Committee will not serve more than two terms at a time. At the end of a members term, that member must wait six years before they are allowed to be considered for re-election and re-appointment to the committee. This is to ensure that no committee member is biast towards one side or the other, and prevents influence of these Committee members from other politicians and military personal. Section IV This Petition would also make it unlawful for a Committee member whose time is up, to place themselves on the ballot for re-election and re-appointment under a false name. Those who do so will serve a minimum of two years, the time they would have spent on the Committee had they been re-appointed. Section V Those with a criminal background, or with connections to criminals or to Rebel elements or a history of supporting Rebel causes would be bared from being allowed to take a seat on the Committee to prevent them from placing sole blame on the Military commanders and their actions that would be placed before the Committee. Section VI Those Committee members who are found to take a stance that supports Rebel or Criminal action while on the Committee will be released immediately, and replaced immediately with a temporary member. Section VII Those Committee members who are found to be taking bribes, or giving favors for favors would be released immediately and replaced immediately with a temporary member. Section VIII Those who are found guilty of actions stated under Section VII would serve an imprisonment, lasting as long as what would suit the crime that was committed.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Thursday, 19 May 2011, 5:34 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Having proposed a similar committee in the past, I am in support of this one too, in principle. In practice, though, I wonder if it might not be simpler to have this as a Senate committee? We are civilians, after all, and we've been chosen by our people to represent them. Thus, the expense and the difficulty of what appears to be a galactic-wide election seems unnecessary to me. Also, a Senate committee would have certain powers that, I fear, this proposed committee would not; namely, funding from the Empire and the power to subpoena documents, summon individuals to testify, etc. As much as I like the concept of a "citizen's committee," I just don't think it will be as effective as it could if it was a Senate committee. I do recommend this to you, Senator Kuriyoshi. Because the oversight of the deeds that are done in our name is so important, I feel it is important that we get this right, too.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 7:21 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I like this bill. This gives the civilians, including the Senators, a little more voice in the political affairs of the Galactic Empire. This would allow us to have a say in whatever's happening out there in the galaxy. I believe this is a step toward improving relations between politicians, Moffs, people who runs the Empire and the Imperial citizens. I vote in favor of the bill.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 5:50 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I will set aside for now the unspoken premise of this measure ("the Empire is incompetent and cannot be trusted to investigate these incidents itself," according to the Senator's reasoning). Let us consider, first, the "civilian" aspect of this. The measure is proposing that the people elect a number of persons to speak for them and represent their interests and concerns on important issues in war and peace. In other words, Senators, us. First, the Senator from the Cronese Mandate expresses no confidence whatsoever in the Imperial forces who fight and die to protect us, then he expresses no confidence in any of us to do what is right, either. For indeed, as Representative Vanden said, this is our job and I for one will not pass the responsibility back to the people who gave that responsibility to me. Otherwise, what are any of us doing here? We might as well abandon the concept of representative democracy and go home. (Although it should be noted that many Imperial worlds and cultures do not practice representative demoracy, or indeed any form of democracy, and should not be compelled to participate in this proposed "galactic election").
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 8:13 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I'd like to vote for this but I too share the opinion of Representative Vanden. Since I believe it is important to restore the authority and autonomy of the Senate, and since the people of Ralltiir elected me on a promise to do just that, I can't vote for a measure that will surrender any more of the Senate's power. It has surrendered enough already. Also, I share the concern that's been implied here about the scale of this election and the logistical difficulties that it could pose.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 8:34 PM | Message # 6 |
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| The Senate is not fit to eat the crumbs from under the Emperor's table. I count myself amongst this number. The Emperor is our Sovereign defender, we all have sworn many oaths of allegiance to his Majesty and he is our defender. The Emperor and his representatives stand between the noble race of mankind and the untold masses of filthy alien squalor. He is a merciful master to us who have granted us, the elect of his subjects, the power to legislate for (conditional upon his will) the Empire on a daily basis. This is a not a right, this is a divine favour which providence knows we do not deserve! We have surrendered nothing to the Emperor, we have rendered unto our Sovereign only his deserved sovereignty. I must thus vote against this Act. The Sector Governors act as a sufficient representation of the people in all regards (being above petty democratic concerns and having only their subjects best interests and the best interests of the Empire at heart). We are so lucky my friends, in having numerous forms of representation to the Emperor, at every level of Imperial Society. If an act of war is ordered by the Emperor, it is just. He is the sovereign, the font of justice. If the Emperor's Representatives misbehave or fail to perform their roles, or perform them with too much or little zeal, there are active systems to deal with their misconduct. As for Alurion, if the new Sector Moff or the Imperial Central Government feels an investigation is merited it may form one, we will see what happens in this situation as it develops. I do not see why some petty committee of Civilians ought to presume to evaluate actions of the Servants of the Empire unless duly constituted authority from the Emperor suggests its formation or forms it. I am outraged by the language of this motion, and I will presently be filing a motion of censure to the Chamber.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 10:51 PM | Message # 7 |
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| My fellow Senators, if you look closely, this bill is not meant to take power away from the Senate, it is meant to give power to the Senate. We have many issues that plague these grand halls, many that need our devoted attention more than other issues, that the people who called upon us to give them a voice, would rather see us work upon. This gives us an opportunity, to involve those who trust us with their voice to interact with those leaders that they trust. To show them that we are not a weak formation of Senators, that the Senate is strong and that the people can believe in us. We are here because they asked us to be here, why not show them the same respect and ask of them to not just look upon us to make this Galaxy better, but to have them help us make the galaxy better. We should not ask what this Empire can do for us, we should ask what can we do for the Empire. We can give the citizens of this empire their own voice once again, allow them to see how they are being protected by the Imperial armed forces, to see that together we are stronger, than if we each decided to stand alone. The people have long sought the knowledge of how the Senate is needed, how they need to trust us. Why not show them by giving them a simple task to remind them that as a whole we are stronger, that together our single voice is more powerful than if we each shouted in a closed room by ourselves. We should trust the people that have trusted us to speak for them. Why should they not be able to take upon this burden as to allow us to shoulder the greater burdens that the people themselves have asked us to do so.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:14 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Senator Zarcaine, I am astonished how you can stand there and speak so brazenly to this chamber. You have already cast your vote against the military in my Protection of the Military Act... I am shocked you have the audacity to continue attacking the Imperial Military despite the opposition of even your ally Senator Fitzgerald. Cease your attack on the Servants of the Empire with some dignity, accept that the vast majority of the Chamber does not share your radical, anti Military anti Imperial stance.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:25 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Oriel, I spoke out against the Protection of the Military Act, not because I am against the Imperial Military, I spoke out against it because it is an act that would force those who have sent us here to this Senate to not be able to voice their concerns nor their opinion of the Military. Your act would force the Citizens of the Empire to support the Actions of the military no matter what happens, and would prevent them from every being able to speak out or speak up outside of the privacy of their own home. To voice their concern that what is happening, what is being forced upon them is not what they want. I do not stand here with radical views on Anti-Military nor Anti-Imperial, I stand here as a radical against tyranny that would force this Senate, as well as the people who trust us to be unable to speak out ever again. I stand against those acts that would force the people to agree on that which they do not agree, to force them to remain silent and lose their voice, as well as cause this Senate to lose the voice of the people that we represent.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:43 PM | Message # 10 |
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| You stand here speaking unpatriotically, that is for sure Senator Zarcaine, that is certain sure. To imply there is "tyranny" in supporting the Emperor and his duly appointed Servants is coming close to treason, I call for you to retract your statement immediately.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 2:48 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Senator Zarcaine was not speaking unpatroitically. He was simply expressing his opinions, and I am sure it was not in any way threatening. I believe it is a good idea to give more power to the Senate, so that we may act accordingly on whatever cases is headed for us. I am not saying we should be criticizing of His Majesty, but the people need to instill their trust in us again. How do we do that? By showing that we are there to protect them from harm.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 3:12 AM | Message # 12 |
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| I think Senator Fowlkes should cease expressing meaningless platitudes and cast his vote either way.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Robert_North | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 4:02 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Senator Kuriyoshi is committing sedition through his slander against the Imperial military. Senator, the Chair gave a report to the Senate on Alurion, already. Are you deaf or stupid? Do you believe some secondary flunkie, spicehead, conspiracy theorist retard spewing dribble all over pirated HoloNet over the Grand Vizier?
Your actions are unacceptable and it is my duty to begin an investigation into your conduct. Regarding this horrendous attempt at subverting the Emperor and the Senate, I vote Against!
The Honorable R.C.W. North
Senator of Imperial Center
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee Mayor of the Galactic/Imperial City (22 BBY-18 BBY)
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 4:31 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I vote in favor
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 4:45 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Senator Kuriyoshi, the Defense Committee and Military Oversight Committee both exist within the Senate for many reasons, one of which is this entire legislation. This is a waste of revenue that could be spent elsewhere, and a waste of the Senate's time to be frank. While Senator North could be much more... civil... in his argument, he has a point. The Chair has given its report, and if there were any possible misconduct, believe me when I say it would have been investigated. The rebels on Alurion detonated their stockpile of weapons, including several illegal explosive materials as well as several Diamond Boron Missiles whose source is still being tracked, as well as the products for a fission bomb that, thankfully, was not assembled or armed. I would like to know, Senator Kuriyoshi, where you have gotten it into your head that the naval Captain at Alurion committed some atrocity? I would like to know, Senator Fowlkes, why you believe the people do not trust the Empire and why you believe this legislation gives power to the Senate when it will be made up of civilians and outside of the Senate's authority? In fact, there seems to be no controlling authority over this committee.
I must vote Against this bill.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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