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Censure of Senator Ordan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 1:04 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Order, Senator Tu'rot. Your enthusiasm for the Empire is commendable, but this conduct is unbecoming of a Senator and, indeed, an adult. Your comments are profane and beneath the dignity of this Senate (such as it is). If you persist in this behavior, you will be suspended from the Senate on an indefinite basis. I would prefer not to see this happen, Senator. Now, as the Senator from Telos IV has said, let us return to this motion and to the peripheral circumstances that the Senator from Alsakan has mentioned; that is, the status of Anaxes' blockade and the conduct of Aeeq's government, etc. These are indeed circumstances that must be taken into consideration if blame is to be assigned for the unfortunate deaths of so many of Aeeq's people, especially its Human residents.
Sate Pestage
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Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 3:23 PM | Message # 17 |
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| I apologize deeply Grand Vizier, I will not allow this to happen again.
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 8:55 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Senators, the fact is we all failed Aeeq. This planet was in need, and whether or not its government called for help, we should have helped it. We certainly shouldn't have hindered it, as Anaxes seems to have done. But Anaxes aside, Naboo is as responsible as any of us—we are quite close to Aeeq; indeed, the planet's destruction was seen on Naboo. However, we've not been in close contact with Aeeq since a trade dispute some months ago. Even so, Naboo and indeed all of us knew that Aeeq was in peril; the approach of the planetoid was no secret. But it's apparent now that none of us, least of all Naboo, should have assumed that Aeeq's government would be responsible for its people. Indeed, it seems not to have been.
But this does not excuse any of us from moral censure, and nor does it excuse Senator Ordan from an actual censure here in the Senate. While I concur, or did concur, that censuring Senator Ordan for the actions of his world is a case of misplaced blame, the fact that he defends the actions of his world without apology does leave him open to censure, as far as I'm concerned. I vote in favor.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 9:38 AM | Message # 19 |
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| Indeed, I'd have to agree with Representative Vanden here. Ordan not issuing an apology for his actions further widen am opportunity for a censure to be on his record. Telos IV in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 12:55 PM | Message # 20 |
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| I certainly am not going to vote in favour of a censure of Senator Ordan. He didn't break the law, nor did his world break the law.
A motion of censure is simply not for disciplining worlds, it is for disciplining poor conduct. I find no rule that Senator Ordan has broken.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 1:13 PM | Message # 21 |
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| I would like to apologize if I stated the facts in a way which seems harsh and uncaring, that was not my intention, rather my intention was to state the facts in as concise a manner as possible, perhaps using more flowery epithets and weeping would content these Senators? . I am here as a patriotic son of the Empire to state my world's position on matters - to attempt to discipline me for doing so is very very low of the Senators from Telos and Naboo.
These liberal senators are all too fond of stating their belief in "freedom" of speech.. and yet they attack me for simply expressing the opinions of my constituents! This hypocrisy is laid bare before us. A vote in favour of this motion is against free speech.
I love my Empire, I love my world. Would I not be doing both a disservice if I represented the opinions of my world inaccurately.
However, according to their wishes I would like to apologize if my world was responsible for any of this Aeeq crisis (although I firmly believe it was not). In their memory I have composed a short poem, for a people betrayed by their Government and by their Senator. The poem is called "The Betrayal of Aeeq"
"What does Government mean to you?
When you didn't try to keep it true
You said your protection would forever be there
But were those just words pulled from thin air?
Instead of saving us our wealth you did share.
Betrayed, lost, left to despair."
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 1:39 PM | Message # 22 |
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| The Cronese Mandate votes in Favor and would also like to note that Senator Ordan is misrepresenting that a vote in favor of this measure would be a vote against free speech.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 2:10 PM | Message # 23 |
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| It's a fact. Please explain what procedure I have breached?
I do enjoy how the Cronese Mandate, the notorious militarists are using this as an excuse to snipe at me!Added (17 Nov 2011, 3:10 PM)
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Furthermore it should be noted that only my world has made a donation to help the refugees and only my world has stepped up to help them. Even when their own government did not.
You are punishing me for expressing the views of my world - that is a suppression of free speech. From the Cronies I would expect this - but I have considerable amusement.
Slander and attack me if you wish, but this delusional censure attempt has no basis in fact or in law and (if passed) will serve only to humiliate the Senate. How is it legitimate to censure a Senator for representing the views of his constituents?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Friday, 18 Nov 2011, 3:51 PM | Message # 24 |
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| I must agree with my fellow senators who have voted in favor of this censure-ship of Senator Ordan. Garos IV votes in favor.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Friday, 18 Nov 2011, 5:39 PM | Message # 25 |
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| So....the point of this is to censure Senator Ordan because somehow it is his fault that a rogue planet destroyed Aeeq? I was unaware that he possessed those kind of cosmic powers. I have never found myself in agreement with Senator Ordan before, but he is right. The government of Aeeq failed its people, not him. They did nothing about the blockade, and they did nothing once it became obvious that their planet was in danger.
I am not in any way refusing concern or sympathy because of what happened to Aeeq or it's people. In fact, quite the opposite. I just do not think a censure is necessary in this case.
Editing this statement to add, I vote against this measure due to its rather senseless nature.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
Message edited by Ilanah_Thanatos - Monday, 21 Nov 2011, 8:24 PM |
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 21 Nov 2011, 8:34 PM | Message # 26 |
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| As there appears to be no further comment on the motion, it is defeated with 44% in favor and 56% opposed.
Sate Pestage
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Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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