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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Wednesday, 19 Dec 2012, 6:47 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Senators,
I realize how unconventional this may be to reach out to you all in such a manner, but I feel that this situation needs to be handled more delicately than just being tossed around and then ignored on the Senate floor. I am very concerned about the conflict going on between Lorrd and Auril.
People are dying, senators, and people will continue to perish at an alarming rate unless something is done, and quickly, to prevent war on Lorrd. You must be thinking that I am just rallying to the cause of Alyn Stark, but you would be wrong in that thought. Lorrd, and the people of Lorrd, need our support. Not only as a Senatorial body, but also as individual planets in the form of aid and ships to help protect an under protected planet and her innocent people.
Why did this start? Does anyone know? It was because one man, Hector Cynum, has a vendetta. The Ruling Houses of Lorrd followed the edict of their moff and expelled Vianists from their provinces and gave them a place on Lorrd II to live. Because of this a child died, a tragedy to be certain. As a mother, the death of any child is to be lamented and mourned. This child, however, was a distant (if that) relative of Hector Cynum, who has declared war on the whole of Lorrd because of an accident. An accident which caused the unfortunate loss of a child's life. That same accident has caused the deaths of several thousand innocent Lorrdians already. How many more people have to die before something is done about this? Does Lorrd need to be destroyed before a tyrant is removed from power?
If Chandrila had a fleet, I would not hesitate, not even for a second, to speak to the Chandrilan Council and send that fleet to Lorrd to assist, but we don't, and must rely on the good graces of our neighbors and the Empire. I would do the same for any of you; Artemis, Senator Ray, Lomen, Ava, Senator Cambrist...every single one of you. But would you do the same for others?
Thank you for your time,
Ilanah Thanatos
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 19 Dec 2012, 7:08 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Thanatos,
This dispute is already being mediated by the Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee and both parties are at the negotiating table.
Please could third parties cease advocacy; especially when it is clearly partisan advocacy likely to effect the outcome of negotiations and where it involves the soliciting of other member worlds to deploy military forces in breach of a ceasefire.
In doing so, you are making war more likely to occur, and more likely to spread to other worlds if it does. Evaluate your actions, if you please.
(On behalf of the Defense Committee)
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Wednesday, 19 Dec 2012, 7:14 PM | Message # 3 |
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| As usual, Senator Oriel, you did not read my words in their entirety and chose to twist what you did read to your benefit. Not once did I ask anyone to DEPLOY military forces, just consider to send aid. And to know the truth.
Evaluate your comprehension of what I am asking, if you please.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 19 Dec 2012, 7:32 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Senator Thanatos,
I should make it clear, your open call for armament and military action in favour of Lorrd is clearly unacceptable.
Quote (Ilanah_Thanatos) If Chandrila had a fleet, I would not hesitate, not even for a second, to speak to the Chandrilan Council and send that fleet to Lorrd to assist
Is a statement that "if I had the means I would go to War on the side of Lorrd", and then go on even further to state
Quote (Ilanah_Thanatos) But would you do the same for others?
This is a call for sending ships to Lorrd, clearly for the purpose of military intervention. This is a call being made while negotiations are underway. This is a call that is taking great and strenuous pains to undermine a negotiated settleement. I fear this may be a matter for Censure, Senator Thanatos, if you do not moderate or withdraw your statement. You need to see that your actions in calling for further military intervention jeopardize negotiation and the chances of a peaceful resolution to this affair.
Further, if the conflict was ongoing, worlds should attempt to do all they can to stop the spread of the crisis. Instead of Lorrd and the Auril Sector as a potential warzone, the whole Galaxy could quickly become inconvenienced by a minority who out of some blind idealist drive to avoid conflict would end up perpetuating it.
This is a sad day. Senator Thanatos. I honestly expected better.
I don't pick sides on this issue, I advocate for the best interests and legal precedents of the Empire being followed. In encouraging Senators to march to war, you are acting contrary to the public will of the Empire to resolve this through negotiation if possible, you're seeking to raise a mob to go to war with the goal of "saving lives" while simultaniously risking millions more across the Galaxy.
Shame.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Thursday, 20 Dec 2012, 1:08 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I think sides can be picked when one side is obviously the aggressor and the other is acting purely in self defense. The Defense Committee is calling on Lorrd not to re-arm, while, to quote Senator Ordan, "I've seen holo reports coming out of the Auril Sector indicating tens of divisions being raised, of orders being placed for quantities of Durasteel that could outweigh this building." The Defense Committee is also inquiring about Lorrd's requisitioning of civilian ships, while the Giga-class liners the Auril Sector has requisitioned are plain for all to see in the skies of Murkhana.
The real shame here is that the Defense Committee is treating Lorrd as a willing combatant in "Cynum's War." It is anything but. Lorrd has done nothing to the Auril Sector, yet it's holding on for dear life in the face of an imminent Tionese invasion. It is a lazy reading of the situation to consider Lorrd a willing combatant, or to say with a straight face that the Auril Sector has as much an interest in peace as Lorrd does. I too hope for a peaceful solution, but the people of Lorrd have a right to defend themselves if there isn't one. I would think the "Planetary Defense Committee" would be more sympathetic to Lorrd in this circumstance. Perhaps more expressions of support for Lorrd would make Mr. Cynum more serious about peace.
Senator Thanatos, much of Ralltiir's fleet is currently engaged in a crucial moment of its anti-slaving operations on the Outer Rim—if it were possible to assemble the fleet quickly enough to make any difference for Lorrd, we would. But in absence of this, Ralltiir has loaned nearly 3 billion credits to Lorrd for self defense. I hope it isn't necessary, but if it is, I hope it's put to good use against Cynum's damn Aurilite son of a bitch bastards.
Regards,
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 20 Dec 2012, 1:40 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Thanatos,
Druckenwell is a great supporter of this idea, and indeed, as Senator Fitzgerald puts it, Lorrd does seem a very unwilling participant. Druckenwell has no great amounts of money to loan, but we do have ships. Unfortunately, the continued actions of the Defense Committee under Senator Oriel seem to be blocking any help from allies. Nonetheless, Druckenwell will, if possible, be sending vessels of aid to Druckenwell.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Victor_Mallix | Date: Thursday, 20 Dec 2012, 4:43 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 20 Dec 2012, 4:48 AM | Message # 8 |
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| We are informed that the Giga-class vessels are being purchased rather than Commandeered, although our data is only from a small number of sources and it is possible they were misinformed Senator Fitzgerald. The Defense Committee is not the Court of Inter-Planetary Conflict Law, it is neither our place to judge nor denote support or opposition to either party unless there is pressing and evident reason to do so.
Let us remind all parties this is a ceasefire, not a break to reload weapons or bring in reinforcements. Both parties are doing this, the Aurilites yes summon vast armies and equip a fleet of war. The Lorrdians summon slavers, mercenaries and brigands to their cause.
Rumours of invasion are frankly alarmist and unlikely. Common sense, cool heads and wisdom must guide us here, friends. Not base rumour mongering and scaremongering from senators who ought to know a good deal better. Let the negotiations get underway and cease to prejudice their outcome if you please Gentlebeings.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Thursday, 20 Dec 2012, 7:02 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Honestly, is either party better than the other. I realize that the Aurilites clearly took the first military aggression. Is it not worth considering though the widespread genocide which is taking place on Lorrd (and elsewhere too). I realize the violence against civilians, this ethnic cleansing genocide of a religious group may have been sanctioned by an Imperial Moff.
I think we need to ask ourselves though, do we all believe it is right to condone ethnic cleansing? Lorrd is (for better or for worse, for orders or no orders, legally or illegally) a world which has sanctioned genocide. The Aurilites attacked some Lorrdian military forces, and I lament that and their deaths, but surely we ought to grant them a measure of honour for having the courage to be bold and seek to strike at those who commit genocide.
I believe that while genocide may be legal if a Moff Orders it (I'm no lawyer but lawyers tell me so), it is always wrong and in my personal opinion, evil.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Thursday, 20 Dec 2012, 8:51 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Sadly, this isn't a senatorial debate, Senator Terrawin. That is why I did not take this to the senate floor. It is a call to help people in need, despite what Senator Oriel believes.
Senators Fitzgerald and Ryuun, thank you.
If you feel the need to not convey anything constructive in this communication, feel free to remove yourselves from the distribution list so we do not disturb you.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Thursday, 20 Dec 2012, 9:26 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Ilanah!
Have we not long fought for sentients rights, peace and liberal values? Have I not always supported your principled stances which reflect peace and justice.
I do not understand why you are taking this extremely grave course of action; you are advocating using a bigger war as a way to extinguish a smaller war. I honestly despair of you; you are not the Senator I once knew. You do not know the course you are plotting, and you are guiding the Empire and it's members into the risk of a far more widespread and dangerous war with your indiscriminate call for mobilization.
While yesterday you were stating your support for a ceasefire and avoiding further loss of life. One question before I sign off - When is the last time you can remember expanding a conflict to include other worlds saved a single life.
You won't hear from me again.
Signed
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 20 Dec 2012, 6:38 PM | Message # 12 |
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| When you want to talk genocide, Senator Terrawin, go talk to the Sipsk'ud, who burned and slaughtered and roasted their own and then attempt to sell them to other worlds. Your bleeding heart is too much for me to stand at times, going against a Human world when the Empire supports Human High Culture. It is a sad day when a NonHuman supports the actions of the Empire over a Human.
Senator Thanatos, you have my support as well.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 21 Dec 2012, 11:33 AM | Message # 13 |
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| I am utterly shocked and appalled by the abominable slaughter of the Sipsk'ud Vianists, as am I by the ethnic cleansing on Lorrd and other arbitrary and random acts of violence throughout the Kanz Sector.
To clarify Senator Domon; you are supportive of the crimes against sentience committed in the Kanz Sector? Let's not equivocate here, I am not going to quibble over "which genocide was worse", crimes againsts sentience are crimes against sentience; you and those supporting Lorrd are tacitly endorsing a government which I believe has (by it's actions in commissioning and permitting crimes against sentience in its jurisdiction) ceased to represent the government of Lorrd; just as the psychotic overlord of the Sipsk'ud is in our view, unquestionably evil and malevolent - I'd gladly see the leaders of both regimes sentenced to lifetime incarceration for their crimes.
Note, that because the genocide is Imperial policy, we have no intention to move against either world as this would be a breach of the peace. We do believe that the policy of the Empire in sanctioning and permitting this genocide was incorrect, and have voiced that sentiment at length. We take no view on this conflict other than that it should be averted if possible, and minimized if not.
You don't add fuel to a fire you wish to extinguish. And supporting either party is fueling their cause and so making war more not less likely, and more likely to be widespread and bloody in the case it does occur.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
Message edited by Verence_Terrawin - Friday, 21 Dec 2012, 11:34 AM |
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