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Request for planetary defenses
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 07 Jun 2011, 10:51 PM | Message # 1 |
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| This is Druckenwell's current fleet and defenses as it stands:
2x Squadron
- Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptor
- ARC-170 starfighter
- Alpha-3 Nimbus-class V-wing starfighter
(72 total)
2x Carrack-class cruisers
1x EF76 Nebulon-B Frigate
1x Tartan-class Patrol Cruiser
2x Arquetins-class light cruisers
1x DP-20 frigate
3x Large Gun Emplacements
2x Large Gun/Warhead Emplacements
1x Cardan III station
These are Druckenwell's additions to its standard shipyards. Druckenwell also sports a very productive BlasTech plant as well as the lucrative income from Duckenwell Arms Corporation, which sells small arms and, more importantly, capital-ship grade weaponry.
With all the trade that comes in and out of Druckenwell and as productive a world as it is, I feel that it is fitting to fit Druckenwell with a planetary shield at this time.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 8:35 PM | Message # 2 |
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| This might just me, but do you mnind linking me to the requests for some of these defenses? Namely, the gun emplacements and the DP-20 frigate? It's probably a clerical error on our part, but the fleet list on the "Imperial Navy" thread doesn't include these. I just want to make sure the numbers are all up to date before I go on, here.
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 10 Jun 2011, 9:52 AM | Message # 3 |
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| The ships, DP20 and Arquetins, were procured here.
The rest is here.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 9:55 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Okay, thanks. I think we'll most likely be okay with it in this case (I speak only for me, however), but in the future do be aware that even if something is acquired IC it must still be requested OOC as well. Sometimes vice versa, too. As for the planetary shield, I'm kind of conflicted, to be honest. I'm going to sit this out for a post or two and see what the others have to say. I will say though, my reluctance is that with these gun emplacements and the additional ships (the Arquitens and especially the DP20), Druckenwell's defense is pretty much guaranteed. Thus, a planetary shield would mean, in effect, that Druckenwell has at its disposal one of the largest potentially offensive fleets of any planet in the RP, and even most of the other factions, too. As a moderator, I have 2 priorities in considering numbers, and one of them is that no planet or faction has so many ships, shields, guns, Golans, etc. that they're able to provide for both offense and defense simultaneously. I believe, philosophically, that an RP is more interesting (and more fair, too) when offense has to come at the expense of defense, and vice versa. In my experience, the "nothing to lose" mentality tends to be a destructive and discouraging force in an RP, and I try to avoid it, personally.
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Sunday, 12 Jun 2011, 4:57 PM | Message # 5 |
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| APPROVE:
- 2x Carrack-class cruisers
- 1x EF76 Nebulon-B Frigate
- 1x Tartan-class Patrol Cruiser
- 2x Arquetins-class light cruisers
- 1x DP-20 frigate
- 3x Large Gun Emplacements
- 2x Large Gun/Warhead Emplacements
- 1x Cardan III station
DENY:
My reasons for denying the Planetary Shield are pretty much synonymous with Jace's concerns. Having such numbers and defenses already should be more than enough to defend Druckenwell from anything short of a full Imperial invasion (which won't happen), and a shield would only serve to, pardon the terrible analogy, beat a dead horse. Everything else on the list looks good to me, though, we'll see what Orion and Carson have to say.
Man, Myth, Administrative God. Also plays a mean kazoo.
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Sunday, 12 Jun 2011, 8:35 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Acutally I have a bit of a problem with both the firepower and the shield so here are my initial thoughs.
APPROVE / DENY
2x Carrack-class cruisers
1x EF76 Nebulon-B Frigate
1x Tartan-class Patrol Cruiser
2x Arquetins-class light cruisers - seems a bit of an overkill with the gun emplacements
1x DP-20 frigate - same as above
3x Large Gun Emplacements
2x Large Gun/Warhead Emplacements
1x Cardan III station
1x Planetary Shield - this is not Coruscant
It should be noted that (pending further voting results) I would be willing to approve of switching out the gun emplacements with the denied vessels.
It should also be noted that Jace speaks for me as well.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Sunday, 12 Jun 2011, 9:04 PM | Message # 7 |
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| There is alot to be said on this, but I feel actions speak louder than words, so on to business. Since a majority of this was requested in the past, and approved by management, which leaves me wondering why the hell we are approving it again... I'll get down to the actual request here, and the informal request, too. And yes, Jace does have my support that IC acquirements should be requested afterwards for approval. I should note that I, personally, will approve a supermajority of RP'd procurements (including something like this). Hence...
APPROVE
1 DP20 Frigate
2 Aqruetins-class Light Cruisers
And, while Jory is correct in stating that Druckenwell isn't Coruscant... Coruscant isn't the only planet to ever have a planetary shield, especially in this era. Taking into account Druckenwell's economic position, both as a center of defense industry and a hub of commerce...
APPROVE
Planetary Shield for Druckenwell
My only stipulation is, however, that for the time being, Druckenwell is, essentially, capped in regards to its armed forces.
Orion Karath
Manager from June 2009 to Present, Administrator from December 2011 to Present
My posts here, pre-2009 archives here
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 16 Jun 2011, 9:43 AM | Message # 8 |
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| I tend to agree with Karth largely because he supports all my ideas and I'm willing to consider Druckenwell capped. However, I owe Jory an explanation of sorts I suppose.
Druckenwell is a rising star amongst the Outer Rim-ish territories, being home to a successful Blas-Tech plant, the Druckenwell Arms Corporation and its shipyards. While most of these companies are assumed largely to be working and selling and trading (etc.) in the background of the roleplay, I do my best to ensure that should Druckenwell come under attack of some sort (Jace and Jamie, you two are devious bastards, and I mean that as a compliment) by any forces, they are capable and able of defending themselves.
The Carrack vessels and the EF76 are Druckenwell's close-in support, in the event that a fleet of any sort bypass the outer screen of defenses and move to assault the planet itself. They exist as the final line of deterrent, bolstered by the DP20's abilities to, as Jace put it, deter the capital ships that some factions do possess. The Tartan and the Arquetins cruisers are the picket ships, patrolling Druckenwell's borders to ensure the safety of the multitude of convoys arriving daily. The gun and warhead emplacements are dedicated defense for the Cardan station. Keep in mind, Druckenwell's current capacity is adequately met by a Cardan III station, but in the future, they may expand to a larger and more expensive station, necessitating the current defenses even further. The positioning of said defensive emplacements would prevent them from being used in a defensive purpose outside of the station, providing the attacking player has the common sense to post the location of their attacking fleet.
I hope this makes it a little easier to see the sense.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Friday, 17 Jun 2011, 11:46 AM | Message # 9 |
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| I'm not going to budge on denying the Planetary Shield, but my vote still stands for the rest of it.
Man, Myth, Administrative God. Also plays a mean kazoo.
Jace Varitek: In Northern California we just have gangs of vigilante interior decorators.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 17 Jun 2011, 7:23 PM | Message # 10 |
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| In that case, I'm going to stick to my guns and also vote to DENY the planetary shield. For now, at least—I'm open to the possibility of it once we see how this current loadout fares in the RP. And true, I can be devious, but Druckenwell isn't in my sights or likely to be. It was only Novak there, really, that necessitated I drop the hammer on it as Chief of State. But I digress. It looks like the following are are APPROVED:
■ 2 Carrack-class cruisers (already approved)
■ 1 EF76 Nebulon-B Frigate (already approved)
■ 1 Tartan-class Patrol Cruiser (already approved)
■ 2 Arquetins-class light cruisers
■ 1 DP-20 frigate
■ 3 Large Gun Emplacements (already approved)
■ 2 Large Gun/Warhead Emplacements (already approved)
■ 1 Cardan III station (already approved)
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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