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Planetary Request
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| Qual_Onokha | Date: Wednesday, 08 Jun 2011, 11:35 PM | Message # 1 |
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| I would like to request control of Haashimut in the Ash Worlds Sector for Qual Onokha. The planet would be host to a primary base of his, which I'll put up a description of after the request, where he would control the world from. As you can see in the article in the link given, the only information really there is about a Jedi fortress that was around in 24,000BBY, when the Republic was at war with the Tion Cluster.
Haashimut Defense Fleet
x1 CR70 Corvette
x1 Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser
x3 Republic Light Assault Cruisers
x2 Modified Corellian Star Shuttles
- Each Equipped with two Turbolasers
x1 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter Squadron (12 Fighters)
x1 Alpha-3 Nimbus Class V-Wing Starfighter Squadron (12 Fighters)
Haashimut Ground Facilities
x1 Modified Ancient Jedi Fortress
- Various hidden defenses Installed
x1 Hidden Planetary Starfighter Base
Message edited by Qual_Onokha - Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 0:15 AM |
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 8:12 PM | Message # 2 |
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| "Control of Haashimut" is a bit elusive, considering how little we know about the planet and its inhabitants (even if it's abandoned, or even especially if its abandoned, one wonders if it can really be "controlled"). But I'm willing to APPROVE of Qual's fortress there and say that he's basically the boss of the place, such as it is. I was going to ask about the hidden defenses, but personally I'm okay with leaving that undefined, as we discussed in Messenger, until it actually comes up in the RP. As long as we're not talking about anything extraordinary, that is. Like a planetary turbolaser or a theater shield generator, etc. I vote to DENY any and all capital ships, though. Especially capital ships requiring a crew of 16,000. It's just too big of a jump from "criminal figure with a gang of 30 to 40" to "criminal extraordinaire with a fleet and crew of thousands." That said, I do APPROVE of either the Rihkxyrk fighters or the V-wing's. My reasoning being that I don't feel Qual is enough of a household name in criminal circles yet to command an organization that's now pushing 100 people. Once he's been around for awhile and gotten his name out there, sure, I'll be okay with him having more people, ships, etc.
Jace Varitek
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| Qual_Onokha | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 8:16 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Okay, so the new write up for the request looks like this then
Haashimut Defense Fleet
x1 CR70 Corvette
x3 Republic Light Assault Cruisers
x2 Modified Corellian Star Shuttles
- Each Equipped with two Turbolasers
x1 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter Squadron (12 Fighters)
Haashimut Ground Facilities
x1 Modified Ancient Jedi Fortress
- Various hidden defenses Installed
x1 Hidden Planetary Starfighter Base
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| OrionKarath | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 8:25 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Regarding your new numbers, my vote stands as, based on Jace's above concerns and my own which are very similar...
APPROVE
Haashimut base
1 Modified Corellian Assault Shuttle
DENY
1 CR70 Corvette
3 Republic Light Assault Cruisers
1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle
12 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter (due to they being specifically stated as part of the Rebellion era, meaning they were not in use until 0 BBY-1 ABY)
I would be willing to approve 12 V-Wings however.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 8:31 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I'll APPROVE of Orion's numbers there, the only difference being I'm still okay with the Rihkxyrk fighters because I think a lot of the time Wookieepedia is lazy and will say it's from the "Rebellion Era" simply because it's only seen in the Rebellion Era (but doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't around before then. I'm inclined to think, because the Rihkxyrk is kind of a hand-me-down fighter in the Rebellion Era, it had probably been around for some time prior to that).
Jace Varitek
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"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 8:31 PM | Message # 6 |
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| P.S. I appreciate you linking them to Wookieepedia.
Jace Varitek
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"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
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Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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| Qual_Onokha | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 8:46 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I can understand the concern over capital ships with thousands as crew. I can also understand getting rid of the CR70, which if anything is like the CR90 considering its the predecessor, it would have a crew from 30-165, I'd like to show the following numbers.
x3 Republic Light Assault Cruisers - Modified CEC Consular Class Space Cruiser with a crew of 8
x2 Modified Corellian Star Shuttles - Modified Corellian Star Shuttle with a Crew of 8
- Each Equipped with two Turbolasers
x1 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter Squadron (12 Fighters) - Each fighters has 1 pilot
Qual's gang would come out to 52 men total with the above set up.
I will be willing to accept the already agreed on
Haashimut base - (Which I'm assuming would include the defenses and starfighter base)
x1 Modified Corellian Assault Shuttle
x1 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter Squadron (12 Fighters)
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| OrionKarath | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 9:12 PM | Message # 8 |
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| The Light Assault Cruisers are going to have a higher crew count than eight, as they are warships, unlike their base design of the Consular Space Cruiser, so you have things such as gunners, maintenance, possibly marines, etc. You also seem to be forgetting your already requested assets in your calculations, fyi.
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| Qual_Onokha | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 9:20 PM | Message # 9 |
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| The Already established crew of the CEC Consular has
Total crew (8)
* Pilot (1)
* Co-pilots (2)
* Navigator (1)
* Communication officer (1)
* Technicians (3) - I think of Gunners when I look at this.
The Article of the Republic Light Assault Cruiser has no mention of additional crew beyond the standard 8 that is needed to run the ship.
As for the numbers of men Qual currently has. His approved ship request shows
Complement: 4 Z-95 Headhunter Starfighters - 4 Troops
Crew: 35 + 2 Gunners - 2 Crew
Minimum crew: 10 - 10 Crew
Total of 16 Men
Added the already accepted numbers
Haashimut base - (Which I'm assuming would include the defenses and starfighter base)
x1 Modified Corellian Assault Shuttle - Crew of 8
x1 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter Squadron (12 Fighters)
The Total comes out to 36 Men
With the above numbers, I'd like to make the edited request.
Haashimut Base - (Which I'm assuming would include the Defenses and Starfighter base)
x1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle - Crew of 8
x1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle - Crew of 8
x1 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter Squadron - (12 Fighters) - (12 Pilots)
The Total comes out to 28
Added to the above mentioned total of Qual's already approved ship, which comes to a crew of 16
The total comes to 44 Men total
Message edited by Qual_Onokha - Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 9:53 PM |
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| OrionKarath | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 9:57 PM | Message # 10 |
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| The article doesn't have mention of any actual crew numbers, nor a clear armament for that matter. Am I to assume from that that it is armed with a single turbolaser and that it is unmanned? No. A simple transport and a warship are going to have vastly different crew requirements, that's just common sense. Lack of solid numbers does not mean a lack of common sense should also be applied. When you look at Technicians on a Consular and see Gunners, I still see Technicians. They clearly have an important role on a Consular, and would not be pulled from that role to operate weaponry. I'm not saying it's going to be something insane, but it's going to be more than eight; let's say... twenty, for argument's sake.
And I want you to look at those numbers you just calculated. Your organization has between 16 and 41 individuals already. Your character, and organization, is just starting out and hasn't done really, anything. How are you going to afford, or even recruit, this explosion of personnel and assets? It just doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint. You're looking at an expansion from 16-41 individuals to 114-139; your original request would be asking for a final personnel count of between 16,140 and 16,419, none of that counting what it would take to man the defenses of this base or personnel not operating ships, which a supermajority of this personnel would be doing. This all for an organization that has started with sixteen individuals and is yet to really do anything notable or profitable. My point here is apply logic to this, as well as common sense, and take into account your activity.
Orion Karath
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| Qual_Onokha | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 10:53 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Lets just go with this
Haashimut base - (Which I'm assuming would include the defenses and starfighter base)
x1 Modified Corellian Assault Shuttle
- Added x2 Turbolaser Cannons
- Passenger Compartment retrofitted to hold 4 Fighters
(The Article shows that the Corellian Star Shuttle has the capacity to hold 200 Passengers)
x1 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter Squadron (12 Fighters)
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| OrionKarath | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 11:00 PM | Message # 12 |
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| I APPROVE then. I don't mean to seem hard on you, it's just a matter of no establishment and lack of funds and resources IC. If we were talking about a well established group a couple of IC years down the road, I would have no problem approving your initial revision, I would even support you having the second squadron, but at this time... it just can't happen.
Orion Karath
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 4:26 PM | Message # 13 |
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| In mentioning the organization is "close to 100 people" now I didn't mean to get hung up on the numbers. The larger point I was making is what Orion has said—that in my opinion, too, Qual and his people haven't done enough (yet) to be able to recruit more people or buy more ships (maintaining these ships is an issue, too. Parts will be needed, to say nothing of fuel, etc.). I'm not being a stickler here, mind you, but I'll be more willing to approve of more ships and people once Qual has become more of a household name in criminal circles. That said, I vote to APPROVE the revised numbers:
Haashimut base - (defenses and starfighter base)
x1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle
- Added x2 Turbolaser Cannons
- Passenger Compartment retrofitted to hold 4 Fighters
(The Article shows that the Corellian Star Shuttle has the capacity to hold 200 Passengers)
x1 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter Squadron (12 Fighters)
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Sunday, 12 Jun 2011, 4:47 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I APPROVE of Jace's approval.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Sunday, 12 Jun 2011, 4:48 PM | Message # 15 |
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| And in the interest of keeping the request board nice and tidy, this request is hereby APPROVED.
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Jace Varitek: In Northern California we just have gangs of vigilante interior decorators.
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