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The Independent Hapan Nation
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| Kso-Dashune | Date: Monday, 18 Jul 2011, 2:36 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Hello fellow RPers! I hope you won't mind this request, and I certainly don't mean to step on any toes, but some of this idea;
character and request, was hashed out with Jace prior to my posting here. So, without further ado:
The Independent Hapan Nation
Homeworld: Parein II
Affiliated Territory: Quartet moons of Parein
System: Parein System
Affiliated Companies:
- Tos'u Mining
- Brek'tek Mining
- New Parein Shipyards (formerly Rosh Independent Shipyards)
Population:
- 18,120 Hapans (displaced)
- 350,000 assorted indigenous humans
Independent Hapan Nation Naval Forces (IHN):
- March of Destiny - Battle Dragon (flagship)
- Song of Sorrow - Battle Dragon
- Tears of Amber - Nova-class battlecruiser
- Cleansing Rain - Nova-class battlecruiser
- Fragmented Memory - Nova-class battlecruiser
- Broken Promise - Nova-class battlecruiser
- Great Divide - Nova-class battlecruiser
- Rising Fortune - Nova-class battlecruiser
- 6x squadron - T-65 X-Wing
- 3x squadron - Miy'til assault bomber
- 7x squadron - Miy'til starfighter
Independent Hapan Nation Trade Vessels:
- 2x AA-9 Coruscant freighter
- 4x Sheathipede-class transport shuttles
- 8x BFF-1 bulk freighter
- 10x Container transport
K'so Da'shune
Presidium of the Independent Hapan Nation
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jul 2011, 7:07 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Sorry about the delay here, I hope I didn't tamp your enthusiasm because I'm liking this idea a lot. First, with regard to the merchant fleet, bear in mind that if ships are used simply for trading purposes and not combat purposes (ever), they don't need to be requested or even listed, although I'd be happy to include these transports/freighters as examples of the merchant ships that you use. As for the fighters, X-wings don't exist in this time period, of course. The Miy'tils are neat, and while I think you might have a bit too many here for my taste, I'd be comfortable to APPROVE of 2 squadrons of the assault bombers and 6 squadrons of the starfighters.
Finally, with regard to the capital ships, I'm afraid here too you have a few too many for my comfort own zone, considering the weapons loadouts on these ships. But I'd be okay to APPROVE on the order of 1 Battle Dragon and 3 Nova-class Battlecruisers. Mind you, this is pretty significant firepower for a planetary fleet, and will make yours a force to be reckoned with.
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| Kso-Dashune | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jul 2011, 7:19 PM | Message # 3 |
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| My apologies for the X-wing; I had the time period a tad mixed up. I requested the merchant vessels largely just to have a starting-out merchant force.
Now comes the big part Jace, unfortunately. I placed the Hapans in an area where it is quite conceivable to 'buy up' certain planets and expand the Hapan Nation, which is of course, their goal as a newly free people. However, the real goal was to separate themselves from the Empire and the other factions that could bring a decent power base to bear, such as the Hutt Cartel, etc. It was also intended to be a force to keep the Empire at bay or, barring that, make it hard for them to want to make a move. I feel that the drawbacks of the Hapan vessels, namely in their long recharge times, which seem to be notable, would put them at a disadvantage when confronted with a quartet or even a trio of Star Destroyers. Such a position greatly reduces the bargaining chip they have.
I'd be willing to do away with two of the Nova-class and guarantee that the second Battle Dragon, the unmodified non-flagship, as well as two of the Nova-class stay at the Hapan homeworld at all times, if that would be more fair. This leaves K'so with his personal flagship as Presidium, as well as a two-Nova escort that will not leave him open to attacks. If you recall, Jace, I planned for him to have a sizable bounty on his head from the Hapan Consortium (this will be noted once I have time to finish the Exodus intro thread). Is this a tad more reasonable?
K'so Da'shune
Presidium of the Independent Hapan Nation
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| OrionKarath | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jul 2011, 10:19 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I'm all for the concept here, which is different and awesome, and am willing to give the go-ahead, but I'll be leaving the bartering of numbers to you and Jace before I give my final judgement here.
Orion Karath
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 2:04 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I think I could be persuaded to approve of another Battle Dragon on your condition that it's stationary at Parein II. But another 2 of the Nova-class would be a bit farther than I'm willing to go, personally. I might have stumbled a bit on your wording, though, so let me be clear what I mean to APPROVE at this point:
■ 2 Hapan Battle Dragons (one of them stationary at Parein II)
■ 3 Nova-class Cruisers (one of them more or less stationary at Parein II)
■ 2 squadrons of My'til assault bombers
■ 6 squadrons of My'til starfighters
Jace Varitek
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"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
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| Kso-Dashune | Date: Thursday, 04 Aug 2011, 8:51 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Jace, Jace, Jace. As Cartman once said: 'Sir. Sir, you are breaking my balls. My balls, sir.' You drive a very hard bargain, Jace. Remember that my intention is to have a small enough fleet that will make a Star Destroyer or three think twice about assaulting the planet. The Nova and the Battle Dragon classes are meant to be used in a mass formation due to their specific drawbacks.
There would be some changes, though. First, I would ask:
1x Nova-class, bringing the total to four. I believe you thought I wanted five total, but I would like two and a Battle Dragon for dedicated defenses at Parein II, along with their total squadrons of:
7x Squadron of My'til Starfighters
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1x Squadrons of My'til assault bombers
The understanding would be that these forces remain at Parein II regardless of any circumstances.
The above forces would act as a deterrent to the majority of forces that could quickly be thrown at the planet, halting but not fully countering most of their threats. To fully counter would require the full might of the Independent Hapan Nation.
The flagship Battle Dragon, along with it's two-Nova escort, would have:
2x Squadron My'til assault bombers
6x Squadron My'til starfighter
This seems an acceptable fielding as I am basing them against the Imperial-I Star Destroyer, which can carry four squadrons of fighters, a squadron of bombers, eight Lambda shuttles and a full squadron of Sentinel landing craft. Granted, the shuttles and landing craft are not necessarily dog fighting craft, but they have the capability to do major damage to a squadron of more of smaller craft, as well as even larger vessels.
The subtracted numbers of personnel also bring the total of Hapans to 13,340.
Is this acceptable at all?
K'so Da'shune
Presidium of the Independent Hapan Nation
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| OrionKarath | Date: Sunday, 14 Aug 2011, 0:37 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Due to the long wait, I'll go ahead and begin working on this. I wouldn't have a problem with you having these full forces later on in the RP, but from my standpoint, with the social system of the Hapans and this being a break off group, they aren't going to have a lot of assets, thus I'm going to go to have to go with Jace's numbers, for the initial forces. I'll go with larger forces later, definitely, but not until your faction has become active, and garnered some support or assets.
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| Kso-Dashune | Date: Sunday, 14 Aug 2011, 8:30 AM | Message # 8 |
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| If you refer to the Exodus thread, I would point out that K'so did indeed loose about ninety-eight percent of his forces he'd originally intended to defect with.
What if I dropped the dedicated defensive squadrons to four squadrons of fighters and one of bombers? One extra Nova dedicated at Parein II shouldn't be too large a difference. I'm trying to keep the I.H.N. 'pure' when it comes to vessels, so no further Hapan vessels will be forthcoming, and it would be a very long time before they could produce anything aside from small fighter craft as replacements. That's why I'm trying so hard to get that last Nova.
K'so Da'shune
Presidium of the Independent Hapan Nation
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| OrionKarath | Date: Sunday, 14 Aug 2011, 12:07 PM | Message # 9 |
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| The thing is, we aren't going to grant someone extra forces just because they pledge to use them solely for defense. By stationary, Jace typically means either a craft that has been retrofitted into a battle station or a craft so damage that it is immoveable, but is still able to fight. I'm going to assume the later here, based on your thread. The starfighters are fine to me, so no change is necesarry, and after further review and consideration I am willing to grant the fourth Nova. So! My vote, as it stands, is to APPROVE the following:
■ Parein II
■ 2 Hapan Battle Dragons (one of which is stationary over Parein II)
■ 4 Nova-class Battle Cruisers (two of which are stationary over Parein II)
■ 2 additional Squadrons of Miy'til Assault Bombers
■ 6 additional Squadrons of Miy'til Starfighters
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 16 Aug 2011, 12:16 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I'm not moved to change the numbers I've already compromised on at this point. I might though if Karth goes along with it.
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
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"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Tuesday, 16 Aug 2011, 12:48 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I'm going to lean on Jace's side of the fence with this one.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Saturday, 20 Aug 2011, 3:36 PM | Message # 12 |
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| APPROVED
■ Parein II
■ 2 Hapan Battle Dragons (one of which is stationary over Parein II)
■ 3 Nova-class Battle Cruisers (one of which are stationary over Parein II)
■ 2 additional Squadrons of Miy'til Assault Bombers
■ 6 additional Squadrons of Miy'til Starfighters
Orion Karath
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