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Request for the True Crusaders
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| Vil_Haran | Date: Monday, 18 Jul 2011, 5:18 PM | Message # 1 |
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| I would like to request the following for the Mandalorian True Crusaders. The numbers in this request will be what is left of the Mandalorians that are displaced from Dxun by the Empire. I have a topic open titled "The Empire displaces Mandalorians of Dxun" At the conclusion of the thread, and the approval of this request, the approved numbers in this request will be the remnants of Vil's Mandalorians under his command, whom he gathers together to form the True Crusaders, a remake of the Neo Crusaders. When Vil forms the True Crusaders, his followers claim that Vil is wearing the True Helmet of Mandalore, but Vil doesnt confirm or deny that it is, so its more of a facsimile. The True Crusaders would believe that Vil is wearing the rightful Mandalore Helmet, while other Mandalorians not following the True Crusader code, would be skeptical that Vil really does have the True Mandalore Helmet.
x2 Nu Class Attack Shuttle
x1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle
- x2 Turbolaser Cannons (Mounted Port and Starboard)
- x1 Quad Turbolaser Cannon (Retractable, slides into belly position under the Shuttle, Rotates 360 Degrees)
x200 Mandalorian True Crusaders
Includes
RC-4085 ( "Colonel" ) - Former Clone Trooper Commando
CT-1981 ( "Shogun" ) - Former Clone Trooper Sargent
x50 Former Clone Troopers (Including Colonel and Shogun)
x100 Human Mandalorians
x10 Kaleesh Mandalorians
x10 Lorrdian Mandalorians
x10 Farghul Mandalorians
x5 Wookie Mandalorians
x10 Rattataki Mandalorians
x5 Zabrak Mandalorians
Equipment
x2 Golden Neo-Crusader Field Marshal Armor (Worn by "Colonel" and "Shogun")
x10 Crimson Neo-Crusader Rally Master Armor
x188 Blue Neo-Crusader Armor
x12 DC-17m Interchangeable Weapon System
x188 Mandalorian Assault Rifles
x200 DE-10 Blaster Pistols
x6 Portable Missile Launchers
Fragmentation Grenades
Fragmentation Mine
Vil Haran (Deceased)
True Mandalore
True Crusaders
Message edited by Vil_Haran - Tuesday, 19 Jul 2011, 1:00 AM |
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jul 2011, 10:19 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Okay, so let's go with the denials first because then I can have the approval numbers nice and tidy. I vote to DENY the following:
x2 (nor any) Golden Neo-Crusader Field Marshal Armor
x10 (nor any) Crimson Neo-Crusader Armor
x188 (nor any) Blue Neo-Crusader Armor
x188 (nor any) Mandalorian Assault Rifles
x1 (nor any) Quad Turbolaser Cannons (on the Star Shuttles)
x10 (nor any) Kaleesh Mandalorians
x48 Former Clone Troopers
The reasoning for this, in brief; 1.) the armor and Mandalorian assault rifles are not appropriate to this time period, 2.) it's my opinion that quad turbolasers on top of the other modifications would require a power generator larger than a Star Shuttle is capable of housing, and 3.) the Kaleesh have an insular culture and are concerned with their own Imperial occupation of their world, and I don't find it likely many (possibly any) would be volunteering to join a foreign culture to fight its battles for it. The Kaleesh, after all, are perfectly capable of wanting a "Kaleesh Empire" of their own (if they're so inclined) without fraternizing with Mandalorians. It's also my feeling that species with cultures based on war aren't going to get along or fraternize with each other, and finally 4.) 50 clone troopers is far too many, and I assume that anti-Imperialist clones who refused to build an Empire for Palpatine would probably be disinclined to build an Empire for someone else, either. The "rogue" clones of the Karen Traviss novels seem content with the pastoral ways of the True Mandalorians.
So, as for what I APPROVE:
x2 Nu Class Attack Shuttles
x1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle (x2 Turbolaser Cannons mounted Port and Starboard)
x200 Mandalorian True Crusaders (provided this is your total number including children and elderly, please revise your numbers accordingly).
x12 DC-17m Interchangeable Weapon System
x200 DE-10 Blaster Pistols
x6 Portable Missile Launchers
x2 Fragmentation Mines
Fragmentation Grenades
And I think that about covers my thoughts on it.
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| Vil_Haran | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jul 2011, 1:35 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Okay. With the above mentioned, here is what I have now. As for the 200 Mandalorian True Crusaders. This number does not include children and elderly. The first thing that Vil would have done before the Empire arrived at Dxun, would be to have the women (I.E. Single Mothers, last living daughter of a family, those unable to fight), children (anyone under the age of 18), and the elderly (those unable to fight) would be sent off Dxun to keep them out of harms way, which would leave behind only the fit men and women that would be of any use in a fight. With that in mind I'll be editing the number down from 200 to 100 True Crusaders, and start from there.
x2 Nu Class Attack Shuttle
x1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle
- x2 Turbolaser Cannons (Mounted Port and Starboard)
x100 Mandalorian True Crusaders
Includes
RC-4085 ( "Colonel" ) - Former Clone Trooper Commando
CT-1981 ( "Shogun" ) - Former Clone Trooper Sargent
x14 Former Clone Troopers (Including Colonel and Shogun)(The remaining 12 would be loyal troopers that followed Shogun and Colonel to Dxun)
x86 Human Mandalorians
For the Armor, while the Wookieepedia article states that Quote They were also known to paint their armor in the traditional colors that represented specific causes the individual might currently be undertaking. The colors, however, did not always have a specific meaning.
The Colors Follow
Gold -High Marshal Commander / Field Marshal
Black - Commander
Red - Captain / Rally Master
Green - Sergeant
Blue - Regular Trooper color
Equipment
x2 Gold Mandalorian High Marshal Commander / Field Marshal Armor (Worn by "Colonel" and "Shogun")
x2 Black Mandalorian Commander Armor
x8 Red Mandalorian Captain / Rally Master Armor
x18 Green Mandalorian Sergeant Armor
x70 Blue Mandalorian Trooper Armor
x12 Kamas (Worn by High Marshal / Field Marshal, Commander and Captain / Rally Master)
x12 Pauldrons (Worn by High Marshal / Field Marshal, Commander and Captain / Rally Master)
x12 DC-17m Interchangeable Weapon System
x18 Proton Carbines
x70 DC-15s Blaster Carbine
x200 DE-10 Blaster Pistols
x6 Portable Missile Launchers
Fragmentation Grenades
I would also like to request a new base of operations on the world of Albata Ing located in the Felucia System. With there not being much on it, and the article saying that it was a Terrestial planet, I'd like to think that it would be over grown much like Felucia with the larger than life plants. I'd also like to think that Vil and his men would be, while not the first to visit the world considering its proximity to Felucia, at least be the first to set up a base of operations or a permanent settlement on the world. I would like this outpost to be designed much like the Mandalorian Outpost on Dxun and would be hidden by constructing it under the larger fauna and by also transplanting some fauna to the area around the outpost to keep it hidden. While the base would have defenses, which can be figured out at a later date, and appropriate time of it coming under attack. The largest of the defenses that I'd like to put up in the request would be a Shield Generator located inside of the outpost, with the shield covering the generator and outpost, as well as a Sensor and Jamming Array, that would allow the base to scan for ships in orbit, as well as keep themselves hidden from scans.
Vil Haran (Deceased)
True Mandalore
True Crusaders
Message edited by Vil_Haran - Tuesday, 26 Jul 2011, 10:16 PM |
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| OrionKarath | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jul 2011, 10:13 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I will APPROVE of the request in its current form, IF, the 86 regular Mandalorians is brought down to 36.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Wednesday, 27 Jul 2011, 8:09 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I'll hold off, but Jaron, do you mind elaborating on why you want the number dropped?
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| OrionKarath | Date: Wednesday, 27 Jul 2011, 9:42 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Not at all, Karth. The reason that I'm asking for it to be lowered, has several factors involved. Firstly, I've been following Haran's portrayal of his group getting booted off of Dxun. He has some INTENSE fighting going on there, so I'm thinking of there being massive losses, on his side and the Imperials. Secondly, the Mandalorians as a whole are in dire straights at this point in the canon; the Empire has enslaved and/or oppressed most of the population in Mandalorian Space, and unless they show themselves of value (i.e. Boba Fett), seem to be somewhat hunted by the Empire throughout the galaxy. To me, it's more fitting number for a group that is coming out of a massive battle, on the run, and is a relatively new group. Don't get me wrong here, as I'm all for this group; I just feel this is a more appropriate starting point. I'm not saying this is their limit, although they are in a bit of a fringe of Mandalorian culture it seems, according to the canon of late (no matter how much we all hate it); hence the lower start point. I don't think any Mandalorian resistance organization, however, is going to be much bigger, if at all (I can't remember at this time if the other guys have set up shop yet).
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Wednesday, 27 Jul 2011, 9:56 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Well spoken, and I find myself agreeing.
APPROVE... pending the numbers adjustment, anyhow.
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| Vil_Haran | Date: Thursday, 28 Jul 2011, 1:15 AM | Message # 8 |
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| I'll drop the total to 50, however, I'd like to add that while Jaron may have his reservations against a Mandalorian Resistance group getting any larger than that. I would like to add a hypothetical question. Say the True Crusaders raid a passing cargo ship that happens to have slaves on it, the Mandalorians free the slaves and kill the slavers, wouldn't the slaves join the True Crusaders and accept the Mandalorian culture. This is taking in previous article entries on Wookieepedia that have shown and said, that the Mandalorian is more of a culture than an actual race, as seen in the fact that the Old Republic comics have shown various races, and Wookieepedia has even said that various conquered races were given the chance to accept the Mandalorian culture and fight alongside the Mandalorians. The only draw back being that the armor had to be specifically designed for that beings species. To me though I see the possibility of the True Crusaders gaining more members by accepting other species into their ranks, just like the Neo-Crusaders did (considering that the True Crusaders group I envision is essentially a revival of the Neo-Crusaders), which would allow the True Crusaders to grow in power.
x2 Nu Class Attack Shuttle
x1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle
- x2 Turbolaser Cannons (Mounted Port and Starboard)
x50 Mandalorian True Crusaders
Includes
RC-4085 ( "Colonel" ) - Former Clone Trooper Commando
CT-1981 ( "Shogun" ) - Former Clone Trooper Sargent
x14 Former Clone Troopers (Including Colonel and Shogun)(The remaining 12 would be loyal troopers that followed Shogun and Colonel to Dxun)
x36 Human Mandalorians
For the Armor, while the Wookieepedia article states that Quote They were also known to paint their armor in the traditional colors that represented specific causes the individual might currently be undertaking. The colors, however, did not always have a specific meaning.
The Colors Follow
Gold -High Marshal Commander / Field Marshal
Black - Commander
Red - Captain / Rally Master
Green - Sergeant
Blue - Regular Trooper color
Equipment
x3 Gold Mandalorian High Marshal Commander / Field Marshal Armor (Worn by "Colonel", "Shogun", and Darjetii)
x1 Black Mandalorian Commander Armor
x4 Red Mandalorian Captain / Rally Master Armor
x6 Green Mandalorian Sergeant Armor
x36 Blue Mandalorian Trooper Armor
x8 Kamas (Worn by High Marshal / Field Marshal, Commander and Captain / Rally Master)
x8 Pauldrons (Worn by High Marshal / Field Marshal, Commander and Captain / Rally Master)
x12 DC-17m Interchangeable Weapon System
x18 Proton Carbines
x20 DC-15s Blaster Carbine
x100 DE-10 Blaster Pistols (x2 For each Mandalorian)
x6 Portable Missile Launchers
Fragmentation Grenades
I would also like to request a new base of operations on the world of Albata Ing located in the Felucia System. With there not being much on it, and the article saying that it was a Terrestial planet, I'd like to think that it would be over grown much like Felucia with the larger than life plants. I'd also like to think that Vil and his men would be, while not the first to visit the world considering its proximity to Felucia, at least be the first to set up a base of operations or a permanent settlement on the world. I would like this outpost to be designed much like the Mandalorian Outpost on Dxun and would be hidden by constructing it under the larger fauna and by also transplanting some fauna to the area around the outpost to keep it hidden. While the base would have defenses, which can be figured out at a later date, and appropriate time of it coming under attack. The largest of the defenses that I'd like to put up in the request would be a Shield Generator located inside of the outpost, with the shield covering the generator and outpost, as well as a Sensor and Jamming Array, that would allow the base to scan for ships in orbit, as well as keep themselves hidden from scans.
I would also like to add this request. Each droid will fill in a specific role, and ease the burden on the 50 Mandalorian True Crusaders.
x5 H-1ME Battle Mechanic Droid (Used for base, ship, weapon and general maintenance)
x2 Estaria styled Cargo loader (Used to move cargo from the shuttles and about the base)
x1 BLX Labor Droid (To oversee the H-1ME Droids and Cargo Loaders)
x1 IM-6 Medical Droid (Located in Medical Bay of Albata Ing base)
x1 GH-7 Medical Analysis Unit (Located in Medical Bay of Albata Ing base)
x1 DD-13 Medical Assistant Droid (Located in Medical Bay of Albata Ing base)
x1 FX-6 Medical Assistant Droid (Located in Medical Bay of Albata Ing base)
x4 F1 Exploration Droid (Used for patrols and scouting around the Albata Ing base)
x5 Remotes (Used for general internal base patrols/security. Modified to hold a small alarm)
I've included in the above a mixture of droids that would help ease the burden of the True Crusaders being undermanned and holding an outpost the size of the one on Albata Ing. The above would increase their ability to keep themselves protected, fit and rested, rather than worrying about constantly sending out patrols, or having to deal with the movement of supplies, or having to keep full doctors on staff. The droids would pick up the slack. The F1 Exploration Droids, would help in the patrols also, either being sent out alone, or accompanying a couple of Mandalorians (I also happened to add them because I thought it looked awesome), as well as the remotes also serving as an internal security system, should something happen to slip in. It would be able to tell the difference between a friendly and foe target, and in the case of the foe, it could set off its alarm and try to hold the foe where he is, although the laser on the remote is probably going to be weak and not as effective, but none the less it would serve in its security purpose. Also, I know that the DD-13 and FX-6 are both marked as Medical Assistant Droids, however, the DD-13 is specialized in cybernetic limbs, while I see the FX-6 like a general all purpose assistant. The same goes with the GH-7 and IM-6, I see the GH-7 more as the Analysis Unit, as it is named, and would be more into the diagnosis and figuring out the extent of the injuries, while I see the IM-6 as the one that acts on the information given and preforms the actual surgery or treatment.
Vil Haran (Deceased)
True Mandalore
True Crusaders
Message edited by Vil_Haran - Thursday, 28 Jul 2011, 10:57 PM |
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 1:21 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I APPROVE of the True Crusader numbers, details, ships, and the base (setting aside the droids for a moment, which I'm going to have to look at later when I have access to Wookieepedia—I'm at a coffee shop at the moment and thus doing requests for now without recourse to Wookieepedia or other sources. Can't be too careful; the Terms of Use for this internet specifically state there's no guarantee of privacy). For the record, I have no problem with other species being included among your Mandalorians. I only objected to the Kaleesh on cultural grounds. As for slaves, yes, it's quite probable if you free them, many will join you. On the other hand, though, slaves who are architects or crossing guards or baristas in their ordinary lives, while grateful to be liberated, might not necessarily take up arms rather than simply going back to their comfortable lives. That's why I phrased it as "most," but not all would probably join you. But either way, I feel this is something that should be done over the course of the RP.
So anyway, it appears everything but the droids are APPROVED, if I'm not mistaken. I'll weigh in on the droids a bit later—hopefully Karth and Orion can in the meantime also.
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| Vil_Haran | Date: Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 3:19 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Okay, so with the first half of it approved completely, and understanding that while yes some slaves might join the Mandalorians, others might not, as well as species that have their own "Military" based cultures. I also understand that you want to look over the droids, although its not like I'm requested Basilisk for each Mando of the True Crusaders :P , and figured that a handful of "maintenance, labor, medical and patrol droids" would help the current undermanned True Crusaders in keeping their new outpost secure and running properly.
Vil Haran (Deceased)
True Mandalore
True Crusaders
Message edited by Vil_Haran - Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 5:41 PM |
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Tuesday, 09 Aug 2011, 8:21 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Jace, you were gonna weigh in on the droids?
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| OrionKarath | Date: Tuesday, 09 Aug 2011, 10:33 PM | Message # 12 |
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| APPROVE of the reorganized request.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Sunday, 14 Aug 2011, 0:49 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Due to this request being open for an extended period of time, and further input, this request is APPROVED.
■ 2 Nu Class Attack Shuttle
■ 1 Modified Corellian Star Shuttle
■ 50 Mandalorian True Crusaders (plus armor and weapons that are listed)
■ Albata Inq outpost
■ 5 H-1ME Battle Mechanic Droid
■ 2 Estaria styled Cargo loader
■ 1 BLX Labor Droid
■ 1 IM-6 Medical Droid
■ 1 GH-7 Medical Analysis Unit
■ 1 DD-13 Medical Assistant Droid
■ 1 FX-6 Medical Assistant Droid
■ 4 F1 Exploration Droid
■ 5 Remotes
Orion Karath
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