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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 9:19 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Okay, since things have changed more, I'll need to take a look over my request I put up.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
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Message edited by LordZarcaine - Friday, 30 Sep 2011, 6:20 PM |
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| Robeir_XXII | Date: Friday, 30 Sep 2011, 10:11 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I talked to Zarc and I'll be taking over this request for him.
Okay, so I'll be outlining my plan here before the request, which should help explain the numbers. Due to the fact that Chandaar and the Cronese Mandate have such little information on them in Wookieepedia, I'd like to take some "creative initiative" about the development of the planet, since there also seems to be a large lack of anything past the Empire being in the Cronese Mandate. I'd like to see that the world of Chandaar, being the Imperial Capital, and most likely the current Capital of the Mandate, would become something of a "Fortress World" that would, due in part of the many hundreds of uninhabited worlds in the Mandate, would still be able to support itself from the raw resources, food stuffs, etc etc from the other planets in the Mandate. So, with that said, on to the request.
The request has come from the threads that have recently popped up on AGW. Mainly At the Border of the Cronese Mandate, which was tried to make it look like the Mandate attacked the Vjun station that they were setting up, Attack in the Cronese Mandate, an attack by "Rebel" forces against a world of the Cronese Mandate, and Refuel at Chandaar, a possible "attack" on the Capital World of the Cronese Mandate.
New Vessels added to the Fleet, of course these vessels would have had a request for their approval sent throught he proper channels, and allowed the Mandate to acquire them and add them to the Mandate's defenses.
x1 Vindicator Class Heavy Cruiser
- With x2 TIE Fighter Squadrons (24 TIEs)
x2 EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigate
- With a total of x4 TIE Fighter Squadrons (48 TIE fighters Total)
x2 Broadside Class Cruiser KDB-1
x5 Gozanti Cruiser
x4 Z-95-AF4 Headhunter Fighter Squadrons (48 Headhunters)
Cronese Mandate Space Defenses
These Defense would be spread out through out the Cronese Mandate to act as defenses for general locations, with Fighter patrols, and also act as supply stations for the larger vessels on their patrol of the Mandate space.
x1 Cardan V Class Space Station (In orbit over Chandaar)
- x96 TIE Fighters replaced with x96 Z-95-AF4 Headhunters
x4 Golan II Space Defense Spacegun (Spread through out the Cronese Mandate space)
- x24 Z-95-AF4 Stationed on each Golan II (Starfighters would act as patrols for their immediate area of space that they are stationed near)
x10 Golan Space Defense Spacegun (Spread through out the Cronese Mandate space)
- x13 Z-95-AF4 Stationed on each Golan I (Starfighters would act as patrols for their immediate area of space that they are stationed near)
Chandaar Planetary Forces
With the little information there is on the Cronese Mandate and Chandaar, these forces would be used to turn Chandaar into a "Fortress world" in the Cronese Mandate to keep the capital and the government of the Cronese Mandate safe from attacks.
Military Based Forces
x20 TX-130 Saber Class Fighter Tank
x40 BARC Speeder
x5 LAAT/i Gunship
x5 VAAT/e Gunship
x200 Cronese Mandate Stormtrooper Analog
The Cronese Mandate Stormtrooper Analog would be based off of the Clone Shock Troopers of the Clone Wars. They'd wear armor similar to the Phase II Clone Trooper armor that was introduced later in the Clone Wars.
Airspeeder Based Forces
x15 K-222 Aero-Interceptors
x15 T-47 Airspeeders
Planetary Defenses
Various BP.5 Anti-Aircraft Turrets Located at Key Locations on Chandaar (Factories, Government buildings, Military bases, etc etc)
Various BP.4 Anti-Vehicle Turrets Located at Key Locations on Chandaar (Factories, Government buildings, Military bases, etc etc)
Various BP.2 Anti-Infantry Turrets Located at Key Locations on Chandaar (Factories, Government Buildings, Military bases, etc etc.)
x4 Planetary Ion Cannons (Located at positions to give greatest firing arch)
x2 w-165 Planetary Turbolaser Cannons (Located at positions to give greatest firing arch)
x1 PY-6 Proton Torpedo Site (Located at position to give greatest firing arch)
I'd like to also add a first warning system of sorts that would be designed and based off of the Hyperspace Beacons that were once used in the Tion Cluster for jump points. They would be redesigned and retrofitted to act as sensor scanners and deep space communication systems that would constantly scan and update the various entrances of vessels along the Cronese Mandate border where a known hyperspace lane doesn't go through.
Head of the House of Cron
Ruler of the Cronese Mandate
Message edited by Robeir_XXIII - Friday, 30 Sep 2011, 10:41 PM |
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| OrionKarath | Date: Saturday, 01 Oct 2011, 9:29 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Give me a minute to look over this.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Saturday, 01 Oct 2011, 9:53 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Alright, here's the deal. Off of firepower available, you have one of the most powerful fleets in the group. You have came to us, asking to nearly triple your fleet, because of some light, and unsuccessful, hit and fade attacks by some freighters on your borders. While I am sympathetic to your want of expansion, and definately to your want of have a larger fleet (as I am one who heavily supports large fleets, much to the chagrin of my management partners), we can't allow this large of a fleet; especially when this would put the Cronese Mandate leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.
I understand, however, that unlike others, you are not defending a couple of worlds in one star system, you are defending several planets in several star systems across a couple of parsecs of space. We really have to maintain Rule 2.2 for simplicity's sake. However, to your advantage, is rule 2.3. Which is why I'm throwing your planetary defenses and surface forces of this request out of the window. Pretty much, if your planet comes under attack you can say "This is what I have. Blah" and we go with it; management would become involved only if the numbers are inappropriate or the attacker disagrees with the stated defensive force.
So, on to the fleet... because of the above statements, and my understanding of your plight, I am willing to APPROVE...
■ Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser
■ 2 Gozanti Cruisers
■ 36 Z-95-AF4 Headhunters
This will however, probably, be the maximum of the Cronese Mandate forces for sometime.
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| Robeir_XXII | Date: Saturday, 01 Oct 2011, 10:02 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Quote (OrionKarath) Which is why I'm throwing your planetary defenses and surface forces of this request out of the window.
Okay, quick question. With this above line, does that include the "Early warning" system, and the stations I requested through out Cronese Mandate space. Also, the request was this large due to this line from the Cronese Mandate article on Wookieepedia
Quote The Mandate contained 464 inhabited worlds as well as many uninhabited systems. It was the largest of the three sectors of the Cluster, as only about 136 worlds were inhabited in the other two combined. 14 of the Mandate's worlds were the former holdings of the Kingdom of Cron.
With the fleet numbers, would it be possible to switch out one Gozanti, for one Neb-B. If not I'll still accept the above that you're willing to approve.
Head of the House of Cron
Ruler of the Cronese Mandate
Message edited by Robeir_XXIII - Saturday, 01 Oct 2011, 10:25 PM |
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| OrionKarath | Date: Saturday, 01 Oct 2011, 10:32 PM | Message # 6 |
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| The only reason I'm really willing to approve anything more, is because of that entry. Balance is an essential part of this RP. Yes, I know it can be frustrating, and if it were up to me, you would have a lot more in regards to forces; but this is not my group, and I am not the lone manager. There is a certain idea and vision in play here, and as a member of management, I have to work into that as much as I can.
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| Robeir_XXII | Date: Saturday, 01 Oct 2011, 10:35 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Okay
So, for the request we've got it down to.
■ Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser
■ 2 Gozanti Cruisers
■ 36 Z-95-AF4 Headhunters
And the understanding that with the rules 2.2 and 2.3, which says that the planetary defenses and ground forces and such would be decided upon the thread happened, Which I'm assuming would also include any defenses with in the Cronese Mandate space, and that border early warning system. I have no problems with the above numbers, and I understand that this will more or less be the last request for the Mandate, for some time, although as the original request stated, I'm taking "Creative Initiative" in turning the Mandate into a "Fortress Sector" due to the little information that is present on the Mandate and the worlds with in, other than the fact that they did exist.
Head of the House of Cron
Ruler of the Cronese Mandate
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Monday, 03 Oct 2011, 7:56 PM | Message # 8 |
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| It will be the last request as far as the Mandate's fleets goes for the foreseeable future, unless your entire fleet gets decimated somehow. As Jaron stated, the fleet is pretty damn large, but I do APPROVE of the number he's listed. As far as planetary defenses, those can be decided in the thread proper, save for heavy-hitters like Golan platforms and minefields and the like, but troop numbers and surface defenses are a bit more flexible.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 08 Oct 2011, 11:47 AM | Message # 9 |
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| ■ Keldabe-class Battleship Vigilance
■ Munificent-class Star Frigate Helena
■ 2 EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigates
■ 3 Marauder-class Corvettes
■ 12 Z-95 Headhunters
■ 8 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighters
Guys, this is the current fleet, mind you. While we do find ourselves in the dilemma that there are individual planets with fleets larger than this one, which is intended to defend multiple planets, if we're going to add anything to this I'd be far more comfortable doing so with an assurance that certain ships are intended for defense only. Because, despite Orion's affection for large fleets, a fleet the size we're considering here could easily demolish a half-dozen or more of the other planets in the RP (not that it would, but I'd still prefer some assurance that it won't in the form of a clarification that ships X, Y, and Z are intended for defense purposes only). That's the enduring absurdity and structural unfairness of an RP with few or no limits on fleets. But again, designating a few ships for defense only can get us around this, and which ships that Zarcaine wants to dedicate specifically to defense I'd leave to him as long as he can let us know.
But even then, let's not forget that Marauder cruisers have 16 turbolasers on them, or 48 between the 3 of them in the current fleet. Another 24 turbolasers between the 2 Nebulon-B's and 5 turbolaser "batteries" on the Keldabe cruiser (potentially as many as 20), would mean the addition of a Vindicator-class cruiser would give the Cronese Navy as many as 137 turbolasers in total (not including defense platforms). Jaron's numbers would also give it 10 ships of scale, as many as I can see myself ever approving and surely enough to make for a decent geographic distribution.
And again, defense platforms. Getting to the actual request, I'll start with those. While I'd ordinarily be sympathetic to Rule 2.3 on this, but I agree with Karth that because we're dealing with a massive amount of firepower I'd rather settle up front how many the Cronese Mandate has in total and where they are. As far as how many there are in total, I'm willing to APPROVE 1 Cardan station and 1 Golan platform (here I mean Golan-1 platforms) specifically for Chandaar, and 4 additional Golan platforms for other locations of your choice, if you will kindly specify them. I don't feel that Z-95's are a fair tradeoff for TIE fighters, however. They have more firepower than a TIE and they also take up more space. I'd prefer a more comparable fighter; namely the I-7 Howlrunner or, since I suppose that doesn't exist yet, maybe the Actis-class interceptor. Especially if they're acting primarily in a reconnaissance role, it should be all you need on top of the presence of the Rihkxyrks and the other Z-95's in your fleet (bear in mind, also, the recent skirmishes the Cronese Mandate has seen in the RP could largely be dealt with by starfighters alone).
So,
1 Cardan V-class Space Station (at Chandaar)
5 Golan-1 Space Defense Platforms (at Chandaar, _____, _____, _____, and _____).
Now, to word this carefully, I'd be willing to APPROVE of the Vindicator-class if it, or a selection of your ships amounting to a comparable amount of firepower, are included among the ships you designate specifically for defense purposes. That's rather complicated I admit and if it doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll clarify.
So,
1 Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser (with the caveat above)
2 Gozanti cruisers
And I suppose I'm okay with 24 Z-95's to bring you up to a total of 36.
Give me just a moment then to post a followup to this condensing my approval vote into one list.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 08 Oct 2011, 12:03 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I vote to APPROVE (listed alongside the current forces):
■ 1 Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser
■ 2 Gozanti cruisers
■ 24 Z-95 Headhunters
■ 1 Cardan V-class Space Station (at Chandaar)
■ 5 Golan-1 Space Defense Platforms (at Chandaar, _____, _____, _____, and _____).
■ Cronese Mandate Stormtrooper Analog (TBD)
■ (Chandaar) An assortment of tanks, speeders, gunships and airspeeders (TBD)
■ (Chandaar) Various BP.5 Anti-Aircraft Turrets, BP.4 Anti-Vehicle Turrets, and BP.2 Anti-Infantry Turrets
■ Keldabe-class Battleship Vigilance
■ Munificent-class Star Frigate Helena
■ 2 EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigates
■ 3 Marauder-class Corvettes
■ 12 Z-95 Headhunters
■ 8 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighters
(_____, _____, _____, etc. dedicated to defense only).
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 08 Oct 2011, 12:08 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Incidentally, a couple of unrelated management notes. I'm going to go through the fleet listings when I can, probably tonight or tomorrow afternoon, and begin to include asterisks on certain things, like Vjun's mines, that link back to the original request to see the caveats on them. We might consider doing that with this request too, on which ships Zarcaine chooses for defense only, etc. Also, I think it would help in updating the lists if from now on we add the "Edited by" inscription so we can see the date it was last updated (that way, when we update it in the future we can scour the Requests forum from that date forward rather than searching farther back in time than we need to. Plus it's just good to know for us and for members too how long ago it was updated).
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| Robeir_XXII | Date: Saturday, 08 Oct 2011, 1:56 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Okay, lets get to it.
■ 1 Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser
■ 2 Gozanti cruisers
■ 24 Z-95 Headhunters
■ Cardan V-class Space Station (at Chandaar) (x96 Eta-2 Actis Class Light Interceptors In place of TIE Fighter compliment) (Sovereign Station)
■ Golan-1 Space Defense Platform (at Chandaar) (x24 Eta-2 Actis Class Light Interceptors) (Orion Station)
■ Golan-1 Space Defense Platform (at Arcan) (x24 Eta-2 Actis Class Light Interceptors) (Atlas Station)
■ Golan-1 Space Defense Platform (at Alor) (x24 Eta-2 Actis Class Light Interceptors) (Night Station)
■ Golan-1 Space Defense Platform (at Argai) (x24 Eta-2 Actis Class Light Interceptors) (Phoenix Station)
■ Golan-1 Space Defense Platform (at Kismaano) (x24 Eta-2 Actis Class Light Interceptors) (Legacy Station)
■ Cronese Mandate Stormtrooper Analog (TBD)
■ (Chandaar) An assortment of tanks, speeders, gunships and airspeeders (TBD)
■ (Chandaar) Various BP.5 Anti-Aircraft Turrets, BP.4 Anti-Vehicle Turrets, and BP.2 Anti-Infantry Turrets
■ Keldabe-class Battleship Vigilance
■ Munificent-class Star Frigate Helena
■ 2 EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigates
■ 3 Marauder-class Corvettes
■ 12 Z-95 Headhunters
■ 8 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighters
(Dedicated for Defense Only)
The 9th Defensive Fleet (Just like how The 9th sounds for a Defensive Fleet)
■ Keldabe-class Battleship Vigilance
■ Munificent-class Star Frigate Helena
■ 3 Marauder-class Corvettes
■ 12 Z-95 Headhunters
■ 8 Rihkxyrk Assault Fighters
Which would leave
The 101st Mandate Fleet (Yes, the 101st is added there in homage of the 101st Airborne)
■ 1 Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser The Black Flag
■ 2 Gozanti cruisers
■ 2 EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigates
■ 24 Z-95 Headhunters
Head of the House of Cron
Ruler of the Cronese Mandate
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Monday, 10 Oct 2011, 12:24 PM | Message # 13 |
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| I think because these are essentially Orion's numbers, of which Karth has also approved (just minus 12 of the Z-95's) it's probably safe to call this APPROVED. I'm also okay with the early warning detection system, incidentally.
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