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Blackfire Request: Ships
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| Blackfire_Contacts | Date: Tuesday, 28 Feb 2012, 1:36 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Having more or less a rather large pool of money to draw from, I would request that the shadow agents working for the Citadel have the following ships, acquired either used or junked and then repaired:
4x Barloz-class freighters modified to this configuration.
2x KR-TB Doomtreader transports with two of their four light laser cannons replaced with solar ionization cannons.
2x refit and refurbished CR90 corvettes
1x FarStar-class carrier corvette
6x SS-54 Assault ship
12x MorningStar-B starfighters
36x MorningStar-A starfighters
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| OrionKarath | Date: Wednesday, 29 Feb 2012, 11:07 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I'm going to sound lazy here, but when was Blackfire requested? And what is the Citadel?
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| Blackfire_Contacts | Date: Thursday, 01 Mar 2012, 0:22 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Part of the explanation of the Citadel can be found in the latter half of Stark's profile. The term refers to both the core group of Stark's organization and to a specific vessel. Blackfire is more of an NPC persona that makes it easier to manage the individual profiles I play as; sort of the middlemen. I could be wrong, but I felt with their status, they didn't really need to be a request as they are player-run NPCs.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 02 Mar 2012, 0:03 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Blackfire Contacts seems to encompass quite a lot of various NPC characters, many of whom seem to have ships of their own. Stark has ships of his own vis'a'vis Lorrd, obviously. Hodder was able to turn up a decent number of ships. Considering this, I strongly feel I need to have a picture of how many people are involved in Blackfire Contacts, including the ranks both above and below Blackfire Contacts, and the various ships that all these people have before I can possibly approve of any of these. I need a clear idea of the total number of ships that Stark's organization could conceivably use at once. I'm wary of a secretive and hierarchical IC organization ending up being secretive and hierarchical in the way it's requesting ships OOC. So, while ordinarily I would never mind an NPC like Hodder having some ships on hand to defend himself, as part of this larger organization I feel I need to know what the totality of its ships are.
(Sorry if I basically just said the same thing three times in slightly different ways. I'm so sleepy).
Jace Varitek
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| Blackfire_Contacts | Date: Saturday, 03 Mar 2012, 11:05 AM | Message # 5 |
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| In the case of Hodder, that particular gentleman is the owner of a shipping company that is more or less rather profitable; the ships he utilized at Shiffrin were his own vessels and not provided by Stark or any of Stark's affiliates. It's presumable that NPCs such as Twist, Hodder, Flagg, etc. have access to certain types of vessels from their owned companies and wealth. Stark's organization does not actually fund any of them directly, as these NPCs have made their own way successfully since the Clone Wars; minus Malos Yhemn, who is provided certain items at points.
According to Stark's profile and current time, the Citadel, the entire organization that is directly affiliated with Stark's activities to include Blackfire, the pawns like Hodder, but excluding the workers who serve under certain NPCs like Hodder, Twist, etc. are about five-hundred in all. Blackfire comprises about a fifth of these numbers, about one-hundred middle-men in all. The Citadel itself in regards to the actual core group is roughly three hundred; none of these have been played yet. The other hundred or so are the various 'pawn' NPCs like Hodder, Twist, Flagg, Timmons, Yhemn et al.
The extent of Blackfire's available vessels would be those listed in this request. As a covert group who are the 'movers and doers,' they can't have too many vessels or they'd draw too much attention to themselves.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 06 Mar 2012, 11:49 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I appreciate that info. Not to frustrate you here, but it seems to me the problem remains; Blackfire is a small part of a larger organization, and in terms of ship numbers I'd really prefer to deal with the whole Citadel organization rather than approving ships for just a part of it, because I'm ultimately not getting a clear idea of how many ships that the Citadel and its various "subsidaries," like Blackfire Contacts, could potentially bring to bear if it were to pool all its ships together, which it could conceivably do. Basically, I don't know that in a worst case scenario, Citadel isn't going to combine its Blackfire ships together with Lorrd's ships together with ships from its NPC agents and ships from its other "subsidiary" organizations to create an enormous super-fleet.
You see my concern here, surely. And see what I mean about not feeling like I'm able to get the whole picture here. I'm not against this request, necessarily, I just want to be sure I know how many ships your Citadel organization has in its entirety. It might be most helpful to break it down by the various levels of the organization that you mentioned, with how many ships each level has so we can see them all together.
Jace Varitek
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| Blackfire_Contacts | Date: Wednesday, 07 Mar 2012, 3:30 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Fair enough in the concerns department, Jace, fair enough. Give me a day or two to crunch some numbers. Added (07 Mar 2012, 3:30 AM)
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I actually took about eleven still slightly drunk minutes to think it over before I came to the following conclusion (haha): technically speaking, how many ships could Black Sun bring to bear at any given time? I mean, the Citadel is meant to be run like what it is: a criminal empire. I could cite to you Jace (and mind you, I don't think yo meant it and were just using it as an example), that I would not mix Lorrd's vessels with Stark's Citadel vessels. Not only is this a conflict of interest between my characters on a personal player level, it would also be against the rules. I don't remember quite which one. However, I get the gist of what you are saying though.
So, trying to break it down.
The ships listed here would be specifically for the Blackfire side of the operation. Strictly for them, not interchangeable, etc and so forth.
On the 'pawn' level, below Blackfire, the hundred or so pawns are likely to have at a minimum some form of personal transport, not always armed. I mean, it stretches from Malos Yhemn in his Aka'jor shuttle to Jeff Hodder scooting around in his Rainhawk transport to Mellis Versaak who flies around with his band in an unarmed (inset generic name of shuttle here). I can't honestly say how many personal vessels each person will have at this stage; I haven't made every pawn I'm likely to use, but I do try to fit the situation with the person. Mellis Versaak, being a successful lead singer of a band, isn't likely to use many vessels. He doesn't need them. Jeff Hodder is likely to use light freighter-types since he owns a transport business (he might have some security he needs to hire on or provide thanks to Thesh, haha). Jerome Twist? He's in construction and he has some hired on mercs, so heavy transport craft and maybe a few outdated snubfighters. I don't quite know yet. It honestly is situational.
If nothing else, I can promise you that no pawn will ever have its resources combined with that of another pawn. Strictly speaking OOC wise, that would go fully against what I am trying to create with Stark's organization as a unique group that works in cells.
For the main part of the Citadel itself, I haven't even thought of how many ships yet. It's kind of a daunting task.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 09 Mar 2012, 6:38 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Having talked this all out last night, I agree with Adam's premise here and I'm in a place where I can look over the numbers now. I'll do that tonight.
Jace Varitek
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 14 Mar 2012, 5:40 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I APPROVE of the following, for a first request.
2 Barloz-class freighters (Lady Sunfire configuration)
2 KR-TB Doomtreader transports
2 refit and refurbished CR90 corvettes
3 SS-54 Assault ship
12 MorningStar-B starfighters
12 MorningStar-A starfighters
And I vote to DENY the following.
2 Barloz-class (Lady Sunfire configuration)
1 FarStar-class carrier corvette (I'd like to see its acquisition and modification RP'd out first).
3 SS-54 Assault ships
24 MorningStar-A starfighters
Solar ionization cannons on the Doomtreaders
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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| OrionKarath | Date: Wednesday, 14 Mar 2012, 5:48 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I APPROVE of Jace's numbers
Orion Karath
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| Blackfire_Contacts | Date: Wednesday, 14 Mar 2012, 6:21 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I can work with these numbers, though I would ask if I could get the full amount of SS-54 assault ships largely to make up for the fighters I'd be losing. It's actually a lessening of firepower in the long run, I think, and I'd be willing to work out the modification and acquisition of the FarStar-class.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 14 Mar 2012, 6:44 PM | Message # 12 |
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| I'm actually okay with that, since concussion missiles were the reason I was against most of the fighters.
APPROVE:
2 Barloz-class freighters (Lady Sunfire configuration)
2 KR-TB Doomtreader transports
2 refit and refurbished CR90 corvettes
6 SS-54 Assault ship
12 MorningStar-B starfighters
12 MorningStar-A starfighters
DENY:
2 Barloz-class (Lady Sunfire configuration)
1 FarStar-class carrier corvette (I'd like to see its acquisition and modification RP'd out first).
24 MorningStar-A starfighters
Solar ionization cannons on the Doomtreaders
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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| Blackfire_Contacts | Date: Wednesday, 14 Mar 2012, 6:50 PM | Message # 13 |
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| In that case, I have no complaints. I'm good to go.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Wednesday, 14 Mar 2012, 7:48 PM | Message # 14 |
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| HOORAY IT'S FINALLY OVER!
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