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| Shiva | Date: Monday, 23 Apr 2012, 4:40 AM | Message # 1 |
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| It's been a while since Shiva got to request anything; also been a bit since he's been directly played, but there have been some limitations which I hope to even out a bit which will make certain actions more possible to consider, seeing as how we seem to be losing a lot of rebellion groups as of late and there's not enough 'resist the Empire' movements.
In my research, the Lucrehulk-class and the Recusant-class seem as if they would be pretty common to find discarded or in need of some repairs along the Outer Rim, Wild Space or generally any place where they might have been dumped. I'd like to work it in that Shiva had one of each that he'd been prepping, modifying in some cases (in the case of the light destroyer, to accept an organic crew and rely less on the droid brain), but basically finally have completed repairs for. Naturally, they wouldn't come with full complement (we can minus the 40,000) battle droids off the destroyer for starters), but it would be an evening of the field, one might say, that will allow for more action on Shiva's behalf in a point where the individual planets are sporting some pretty heavy armadas in some cases.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Sunday, 06 May 2012, 9:00 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Sorry about taking so long with this, Adam, this thread got buried in the worst way. I'll have a post up within the hour.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Sunday, 06 May 2012, 9:50 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Okay, here goes.
Firstly, while it is true that you haven't requested anything in quite a while, I'm not certain that's proper justification for adding more firepower to Shiva's current deployment. For a member of a dying military group like the remains of the CIS, a small collective of ships (including a flagship that is quite formidable in comparison to other Separatist armadas throughout the RP) makes sense. Shiva's collective firepower, coupled with his omnipotent knowledge of the various goings-on of the galaxy, already gives you a clear edge when put up against other 'rebel' groups. So the idea of giving him not one, but two extra ships (and we're not talking about small transports here, let's be honest) doesn't strike me as wise or, frankly, fair to everyone else. Considering that, from what I've seen, Shiva's recent activity has been pretty minimal, it seems odd to suddenly reward him with two new ships.
The Empire's in power for a reason; the Separatists lost and are, at best, a fledgling resistance group that has to rely on guerrilla tactics and clever strategy to prevail in engagements with the much-larger Imperial fleet. Perhaps if Shiva's activity jumps up a bit (and I'm talking real activity here, a small skirmish and some other dealings at least) a discussion could be tabled to maybe grant him one of these two ships, but definitely not both. So, sorry man, I have to DENY for now.
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| Shiva | Date: Sunday, 06 May 2012, 10:08 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I've been trying to play Shiva as having lost contact with certain groups, such as the Libs, which does limit his intelligence as I've tried to show.
When it comes to the flagship issue, I'd like to refer to what I call the SSD-syndrome. We have the Executor; powerful, badass and a giant symbol of the Empire's power and it more or less gets smoked by an A-wing through the bridge. The point being that a single ship, no matter how powerful (and we can even use the Death Star as an example) can be easily undone by smaller vessels and not necessarily in that great of numbers. I'd be willing to pass on the Recusant-class at this time and just ask for the Lucrehulk, and while I agree that the CIS movement is dead and gone (something that Shiva would agree with as well), I'm attempting to turn him to other ends; something of a private warlord more or less.
All in all coinciding with the year change, I see an altering of location for Shiva somewhere outside the borders of the Empire where he can work easier, but the problem of transport, especially if one considers an actual assault including a foothold landing and whatnot, cannot be easily fulfilled by the ships he currently has in use. To that end, the Lucrehulk, acting as a carrier and troop ship, would be fitting to send out on such missions where a former Sep character can actually make the presence known and try to garner further rebellious support.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Sunday, 06 May 2012, 10:14 PM | Message # 5 |
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| That's a flimsy argument, Adam. The only reason an A-Wing taking down the Executor was within the realm of possibility, really, is because the writers decided to go for a symbolic statement, in my opinion anyhow. That is, that the small, under-equipped Alliance managed to quash the much larger, more technologically-advanced and stronger Empire by good old-fashioned determination and self-sacrifice. In reality, I find it hard to imagine that an A-Wing could even get near the ship's bridge (the Executor has upwards of 10,000 cannons of varying power). I do understand wanting to move Shiva into a different field, in fact, I encourage it. But I cannot get behind the logic that, because a writer went for symbolism, realism or common-sense should fall to the wayside. But that's just me. Maybe after the new year has come around, and there's been some time for Shiva to actively establish that he's moving away from that old life, maybe something could happen then.
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| Shiva | Date: Sunday, 06 May 2012, 10:29 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I will point out that the Razor's Kiss was undone by a TIE Interceptor, but touche, Karth, touche. I bow to management's superior perspective.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Sunday, 06 May 2012, 10:32 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Did... did I just win an argument?
That's it. Toga party at my house next weekend.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 06 May 2012, 10:48 PM | Message # 8 |
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| From what I'm reading here, the Razor's Kiss was infiltrated and sabotaged from the inside. I didn't read the book recently, but that's what Wookieepedia seems to suggest (it also suggests that Zsinj self-destructed it rather than let it be captured). The larger point though, which Karth made, is that nothing like that or like an A-wing ramming the bridge of the Executor has ever or will ever happen in RP because the action is written by two opposing writers rather than one who isn't invested in either side and is just telling a story, as in Return of the Jedi or the Rogue Squadron books, etc. I'm not weighing in on this request just yet; I was just reading the back-and-forth here and felt a need to add that before I do weigh in.
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| Shiva | Date: Sunday, 06 May 2012, 11:00 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Oh poo, Jace. You have to complicate things.
Technically, yes, the Razor's Kiss's navigation system was sabotaged to cause it to come out of hyperspace at Selaggis where Solo's fleet could ambush it. However, one of the Wraith Squadron pilots (was it Piggy? Or one of the women? I can't recall) smoked the shield generators. Or maybe I'm wrong. I recall the Iron Fist's shield generators getting blown away at close range in the same fight. I may have my ships mixed up. But yes, the Razor's Kiss was self destructed.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Monday, 07 May 2012, 0:03 AM | Message # 10 |
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| I've said my piece on this, so if the other two Musketeers want to jump in, they're more than welcome.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Friday, 11 May 2012, 6:53 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Team? Anyone?
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 15 May 2012, 4:48 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Karth dissected the argument rather well, so I have nothing to add to that. Moving on to the request itself: In the absence of its main argument, I'm afraid I vote to DENY any and all vessels-of-scale for Shiva, and for any Separatists from now on. I think the Separatist aspect of the RP has been given a lot of time to run its course, and indeed has done so. (I know that you agree, Adam). I'm not saying that existing Separatist characters have no place in the RP—rather, I simply feel at this point they have what they're going to have to work with, and if they want to bolster their forces they should have to scrounge what they can (Corellian freighters, say, older frigates, etc.), rather than having any more Separatist ships.
That's speaking broadly. More specifically, I think Shiva's forces and Rall's are very well-balanced and I'm against any changes to either of them at this time. Does that make it difficult for both of them to challenge "planetary armadas," née Anaxes, Alsakan, etc.? Yes, because it is realistically and rightfully difficult for Separatists to challenge the Empire and its worlds a decade after they lost the Clone War.
However, it's worth noting there are, in total, quite a few Separatist ships in play in the RP, and rather than fighting each other, Separatist characters could team up to mount a greater challenge to the Empire. I don't see a case for management to approve of more ships because of a decision not to work together or pursue other ways of pooling forces together. Or being more active at all, in Shiva's case. If he wants more ships, for instance, he could be committing small acts of piracy and petty ship-theft to gain enough ships to be able to graduate to more ambitious piracy and ship-theft. These are examples of options I'd prefer to see explored before management is involved and definitely before any more ships are added to the RP. I personally no longer accept "there are too many ships" as an argument for more ships.
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| Jaron | Date: Tuesday, 15 May 2012, 5:16 PM | Message # 13 |
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| My opinion has already been expertly put on record by both Karth and Jace, therefore...
DENIED
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