The Clone Wars Resolution
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 08 May 2010, 10:38 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Considering a recent, controversial statement made by Senator Fowlkes and often—too often—repeated in this chamber, in the media, and in the public without any facts to prove it, I think it's necessary that the Senate set the record straight once and for all. Therefore, I propose the following resolution. "The Senate rejects as false the rumor that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine was, in any manner, responsible for plotting, provoking, or otherwise causing or conspiring to cause the Clone Wars. This is, indeed, only a rumor. It is also a slander and a calumny upon the character of the late Chancellor and, later, Emperor Palpatine who, while responsible for many bad things, was not responsible for the Clone Wars. There is no evidence for this rumor; only the word of Mr. Skywalker of the Jedi Academy, who claims that a voice in his head told him of it. This is the same Mr. Skywalker who has also claimed that the late Emperor Palpatine has returned from the dead on one or more occasions, and whose 'revelations' should be regarded with skepticism, not unquestioning acceptance." I vote in favor, and unless you're a fool for innuendo and Jedi propaganda, I suggest you do as well. Either way, when casting your vote, remember that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine was a man who desired a strong government; therefore, it would not be in his interest to promote a Separatist movement that would weaken the Republic. Remember also that the Supreme Chancellor attempted, for months before the Clone Wars, to negotiate with the Separatists. Remember that the Separatists were led by a JEDI, not a Sith. Indeed, the Jedi Order continued to defend the character and integrity of Count Dooku as late as one day before the Clone Wars began. Remember that it was a JEDI who commissioned the clone army, in secret. Remember that it was the JEDI who attempted a desperate coup against Palpatine just as he was about to bring the war to a close. And now, we're supposed to believe a Jedi who tells us it was all Palpatine's fault? Because another Jedi in his head told him so? If anything, Senators, the facts suggest that it was the Jedi who were plotting with the Separatists, not Palpatine. And the facts suggest that Mr. Skywalker is insane with hatred for the late Emperor.
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 09 May 2010, 12:35 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Let me be the first one to speak in this chambers, since you were so eager to dismiss the statement I made on Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine earlier. You are suggesting that statements or opinions such as mine and other like-minded be disregarded. Isn't that anti-democracy? You are suggesting that the Senate supress opinions and statements like I made. Many others have reminded you of this bluntly, and I shall be yet another one to do so. This is not the MIGHTY Galactic Empire that you have come to bow down to. This is the New Republic. The government were formed to ensure that the galaxy allows democracy to happen. That is what freedom is all about. That we have a right to our very opinions and statements. This is also a pathetic attempt to berate the Jedi. Senator Oswaldt clearly depises the Jedi. You say that this is a Jedi propaganda. Why would the Jedi create such lies? Count Dooku was a Jedi that left the Old Jedi Order. A JEDI that decided to become a Sith Lord when the offer was on the table. That makes it a Sith to lead the Separatists. You also accused the Jedi of plotting with the Separatists. Do tell me, if they were the one plotting with the Separatists, then why did hundreds, if not thousands, of Jedi Knights died at the hands of the Separatists during the Clone Wars? Nobody would committ to a such operation unless they want to blast themselves to extinction on purpose. No, it was not the Jedi that plotted the Clone Wars. It was the Order of the Sith Lords that engineered the entire war, and the Jedi Knights were simply pawns to their scheme for galactic domination. If you take a step back and look really good at this, you would see that it was an excuse for Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine to dissolve the Old Republic, freedom, and democracy and transform into the very first Galactic Empire, and dictatorship. You, Senator Oswaldt, do not understand how the Jedi operates. To many that lacks knowledge of the Jedi, or is simply ignorant, would view Master Skywalker as insane. But you must remember that the Jedi sees things where we cannot, due to their ability in the Force. I know this because I am friends with many Jedi due to my stepson being a Jedi. I will say this: I trust the Jedi with my life. I will also say this: You, Senator Oswaldt, brings Imperial views into the Senate. We allowed that because it is the democratic thing to do. It is the right thing to do. We welcome all voices and opinions because the New Republic are pro-democracy. If we shoot down my voice and opinion, then we are no better than the formerly Galactic Empire. We approve this, we are starting down that path. I vote against THE CLONE WARS RESOLUTION. Tremaine Fowlkes, Senator of Mowgle
Tremaine Fowlkes Senator of Telos IV
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 09 May 2010, 3:47 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Fowlkes, you have the right to say whatever foolish things you want. You don't have the right to be taken seriously. You ask me, Senator, "why would the Jedi create such lies?" I admit that I don't know; I'm not in Mr. Skywalker's head. It's too crowded in there as it is. What I do know is that the Jedi have historically kept many secrets from the people and even from the Senate. I did not "accuse the Jedi of plotting with the Separatists," I simply said that was far more likely than Palpatine, of all people, plotting with the Separatists. This is the difference between us, Senator—I don't make claims without facts. In my remarks, I cited facts. In your remarks, you cited rumors and innuendo. I see no need to respond to rumors and innuendo. Believing what you're told to believe is not very "democratic" of you, Senator. I wonder, if Mr. Skywalker announced that the Force told him that you, Tremaine Fowlkes, have cheated on your wife, would you believe him? If not, would you continue to tell people that Mr. Skywalker should be believed more than you because he can "see things through the Force" and you can't? Because that's exactly what you're saying about this resolution, Senator, with no proof except what Mr. Skywalker "feels" is true. I for one do not think that every word a person says, Jedi or not, should always be believed without proof—especially not something so ridiculous as this Clone Wars fallacy. And Senator, I will be referred to as Governor Oswaldt. Men, women, and creatures of this Senate, the Senator from Mowgle exactly the sort of person I referred to in my remarks. If you vote against this measure, you are making common cause with him and his radical views. If you vote for this measure, you are making common sense.
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Mical_de_Crion | Date: Sunday, 09 May 2010, 10:13 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I stick by my previous comments on this matter. I vote Against this resolution.
Mical Léo de Crion Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 10 May 2010, 1:29 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Senator Crion, as I recall, you said before that the facts of this matter are "up for debate and interpretation." Would you say, perhaps, that your sexual orientation is "up for debate and interpretation"? If not, why is it not but this resolution is?
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Mical_de_Crion | Date: Monday, 10 May 2010, 5:41 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Governor, I fail to see what relevance my sexual orientation and the Clone Wars have.
Mical Léo de Crion Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 10 May 2010, 6:26 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I'm attempting to establish, Senator, on what basis you declare that the facts of the Clone Wars are "up for debate and interpretation" but, presumably, the fact of your sexual orientation is not. Are you supposing that in one case, the Clone Wars, there is no truth of the matter and in the other case, your sexuality, there is?
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Mical_de_Crion | Date: Monday, 10 May 2010, 6:51 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I may heterosexual...I may be homosexual...I may be bisexual...I may be transgendered...I may be heterogenus... I fail still to see what the condition of my sexual orientation has in relation to my position that their is as much validity to your side of the arguement as there is to Senator Fowlkes', other than some randomly picked aspect of my personal life for you to badger away at in an attempt provoke and annoy, and yet when challenged on the relevance, merely wish to repeat and reword your statement for playtime, rather than actually expand upon the subject matter and give a legitimate explaination to your parallel you are attempting to draw.
Mical Léo de Crion Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 10 May 2010, 7:21 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I think the people of your Sector will see your confusing answer, above, for what it is; a refusal to answer the question. Once again, Senator, I'm attempting to understand on what basis you decide a thing is certain or is uncertain. However, since you're apparently uncertain of your sexual orientation, I suppose I've chosen a bad example. What, then, of the question I posed to Senator Fowlkes? If Mr. Skywalker announced, because "the Force told him so," that the Senator had cheated on his wife, would you then say that the facts of the matter are "up for debate and interpretation?" In this instance, there is a correct answer as to what did and did not occur. With regard to the Clone Wars, too, there is a correct answer as to what did and did not occur. And yet in one of these cases, the Clone Wars, you say the answer is "up for debate and interpretation." Why one, and not the other?
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Mical_de_Crion | Date: Monday, 10 May 2010, 7:29 PM | Message # 10 |
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| To clarify, I am indeed heterosexual. My point of indifference to either side, is the simple fact, do we know every step and move made by Palpatine? We obviously know the end result, and indeed confirmation of his status as a Sith. In the end, it is not a stretch to believe he was one all along. Dooku, also, we do not know every step and move made by him. In the end, he left the Jedi Order, whom had received reports hinting towards a new master of Sith background, and generally, any Jedi that has turned to a Sith has left the order. Your facts are just as solid as Senator Fowlke's on this issue. For your new example, it could be the Force, or it could be simple psychosis. Simple investigative work would clarify...although I doubt the ethics in raising such personal questions in the chamber as being respectful and proper procedure, Governor.
Mical Léo de Crion Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 3:41 AM | Message # 11 |
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| I chafe to find myself in the cause and company of Governor Oswaldt, but I am compelled, as I am often, to agree with him on issues pertaining to the Jedi. The Governor is right that the "conventional wisdom"—that Palpatine engineered the Clone Wars in some fashion—is very dubious. He is also right that there is no proof of this but for the insistence of Luke Skywalker, who says it is so. I do not know how he came by such information as he claims to have on the subject, and I am compelled to agree, again, with the Governor that Mr. Skywalker has made many dubious claims in the past. Many of these pertain to the Emperor. For instance, when Mr. Skywalker famously defected to the Empire and became the Supreme Commander of its fleet in 11 ABY, he would later claim that it was no fewer than three "resurrected" Emperors Palpatine who had forced him to do so. It is conspicuous that only his sister, Senator Organa, and his friend, General Solo, were willing to corroborate this absurd story. But I digress. Senator Crion is right that many of the facts of the Clone Wars elude us to this day; there is, necessarily, a certain amount of interpretation or, let us say, informed speculation that must go into the study of this conflict. However, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there is no evidence for Mr. Skywalker's theory and, thus, no reason to believe that it is true. But nor can it be proven false; while this demonstrates its weakness as a theory, I am, however, unable to vote for a resolution that conclusively declares the theory "false." If the wording was changed, perhaps, to "unlikely," I would vote enthusiastically in favor. But in its present form, I must abstain.
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Artemis_Vanden | Date: Sunday, 16 May 2010, 5:31 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Commander Skywalker is a hero of the Rebellion and the Republic who has proven himself on many, many occasions, including the one which Senator Cambrist so smugly misrepresented a moment ago. I think it's important to note, also, that Mr. Skywalker does not tell anyone "what to believe." Rather, he tells us what he believes to be true. No one is compelled to believe what he believes. Governor Oswaldt, however, has proposed a resolution that would compel the Republic to believe what the Governor believes. For indeed, this is largely a question of belief—we are not in possession of the facts, as even Senator Cambrist agrees. Governor Oswaldt, like Mr. Skywalker, is making an assertion without the facts; therefore, by the Governor's own argument, he himself should not be believed. At the very least, there is not enough information to prove either assertion conclusively false, as this resolution proposes to do. I vote against. I hope, also, that academic study of the Clone Wars (free of political influence) will continue to reveal more about this conflict so that one day we will know the truth.
Artemis Vanden Representative of the Naboo
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 16 May 2010, 5:51 PM | Message # 13 |
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| By the standards of Senator Crion, Senator Cambrist, and Senator Vanden, nothing could ever be proven or disproven, including Senator Crion's sexuality. If it were a ranting homeless man on a blue milk crate who claimed Palpatine had engineered the Clone Wars, no one would take it seriously. And I am not convinced, Senators, that Mr. Skywalker is any more sane than a ranting homeless man on a blue milk crate. Even if he is a "hero," as Senator Vanden has said, this doesn't mean he's a sane hero or that anything he says is true. The hypocrisy and the cowardice in this chamber is enough to make a Bothan laugh, or cry. I will not change my resolution.
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Artemis_Vanden | Date: Monday, 24 May 2010, 11:00 PM | Message # 14 |
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| It seems apparent that this resolution is not going to pass. I would thank the Chief of State to close this vote and put it out of my misery.
Artemis Vanden Representative of the Naboo
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Ponc_Gavrisom | Date: Thursday, 27 May 2010, 1:21 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Needless to say, this motion fails.
Ponc Gavrisom Chief of State
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