Economics Committee Session #381
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Simon_Levi | Date: Saturday, 07 Mar 2009, 6:50 PM | Message # 1 |
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| *Chairman Kruus of the Economics Committee entered the discussion chamber after the full Committee had filed into the chamber, addressing, unusually a Holo-cam, not live obviously but there so the hearing could be published if needed.* Gentlemen, I am breaking with tradition today in holding this meeting of the Economics Committee in a fully public manner, rather than behind closed doors as I believe the matters we are going to discuss are crucial to the public interest. In full hearings of the Senate recently discussions have circulated around the Dantooine Defense and Recovery Act. As such this committee will launch a full investigation with the folliowing mandate "To explore the Dantooine Defense and Recovery Act in order to discern if the bill was passed on the basis of false evidence, also to discern the economic impact of the Act and the most efficient method for allocation of funds delegated from the budget in that act." To start on the first item within the Investigation, the matter of Dishonesty to the Galactic Senate in order to pass the Defense and Recovery Act. *recordings from the recent Questions to Exar Ray were played ' *Here Kruus inserted two clips of Senator Ray speaking* "And to answer your question, I believe it will, with a combination of the Starfighter wing on Dantooine from both the IMC and the New Republic, with the aid of the weapon platform, I believe the citizens can sleep soundly at night. That is all the planetary defenses Dantooine has at the moment, and we require the Golan to atleast hold our own till a New Republic fleet is able to assist us." "It is no secret that we have planetary defense, but tell me, what does 1 Turbolaser, placed at an un-disclosed location, have over an Imperial fleet" * Firstly then, I would like to summon Director Cracken (in order to provide us with further investigation regarding the defenses of Dantooine) and Senator Ray (to answer questions regarding his above statements) to come and speak before this hearing. *In a very official manner summons were sent to the various parts of the New Republic Capital for Senator Exar Ray and Director Cracken of the NRI, in the meantime the Economics Committee set about discussing other issues relating to the most efficient method for Dantooine to spend the money loaned to it by the New Republic before returning to the main topic once the summoned individuals arrived.*'
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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Airen_Cracken | Date: Saturday, 07 Mar 2009, 7:39 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I am, of course, at the Senate's disposal to answer any questions that you have of me, and to make NRI's resources available to you insofar as is amenable to galactic security. I'll take any specific questions that the Council has, although I would also refer you to the statement that the Chief of State has made on this matter (available here), on which I advised him and which I believe gives a fair explanation of the circumstances.
General Airen Cracken New Republic Intelligence
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Simon_Levi | Date: Saturday, 07 Mar 2009, 7:51 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Welcome to the Committee General Cracken, I thank you for your presence. I am aware that the Chief of State has made a statement on this matter, which as you say was consulted by you. Now for the purposes of this committee, please could you give me a full run-down of the defenses surrounding Dantooine. This answer will be considered classified and as such will not be published in the public account. Secondly, in the opinion of the NRI would Senator Exar Ray have been aware of the defenses standing as they did at the date of the Statements in question?
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Simon_Levi | Date: Sunday, 08 Mar 2009, 7:22 PM | Message # 4 |
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| *Kruus turned to present the questions he had thus far for the Senator of Dantooine, turning to thank Cracken first* I thank you General Cracken, you are more than welcome to return to your duties in the meantime. Senator Ray, you stated on the date in question that the Dantooine defenses were at one level, and in fact they were considerably stronger, one could say that you decieved the Senate into voting for a bill to grant you an even larger number of defenses, This is at the very best, a very serious mistake and demonstrates very little respect for the Senate, the Galactic Legislature, and as such very little respect for the Citizens whos representatives you are accused of lying to. So I will give you the chance to admit your foolish mistake to this committee, and present a full and frank apology if you wish later in these procedings. I ask you Senator Ray, did you knowingly Lie to the Senate with relation to the Dantooine Defense and Recovery Act? A Yes or No answer will suffice at this stage before we present further questioning. Bear in mind Senator Ray, you are under oath.
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Exar_Ray | Date: Monday, 09 Mar 2009, 12:11 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Under oath Senator? This is not a trial so therefore, I do not have to be in any way cooperative with you. However since it seems to me that you have an intention to damage my good name, I will cooperate and move on with this on the hope that we can attend to more serious matters that are being placed on hold by this rediculous session by an Economics Committee. To answer your question, no. I did not intentionally lie to the Senate to aquire more defenses for the planet. whoever said that it was my goal to lie to this body is a grave mistake at best. As for what demonstrates what, Senator, I hardly believe that a man such as yourself is in any position to tell me what a mistake is. Because of this session, Dantooine citizens now are in jepordy because our defenses are out in the open. That means that any Imperial or neutral slicer can get their hands on the information and coordinate an assault. While they have the numbers, I will refuse to give up the locations of the defenses mentioned. I kept the defenses a secret because I do not believe that planetary defenses should be in the open. If anyone had any concern, then they should of consulted either myself or the Chief of State before voting. But you, Senator Kruus, have the nasty iritiation of sticking your nose into something that shouldn't be. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings when you proposed making the entire New Republic military droids, but for the life of man and civility... get over it. As far as an apology goes, I am sorry to the citizens that they are now more in jepordy then ever by the greedy curiousity of Senator Kruus. I am done here Senator. We can discuss this in private if you wish with the contents of the meeting being made to the public at a time. We have more important matters to attend to, and I have no more time for these games. Dantooine has now proper defenses and that is all I ever wanted, was a fighting chance. Thank you, and good day.
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Simon_Levi | Date: Monday, 09 Mar 2009, 1:10 PM | Message # 6 |
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| As we say you are under-oath, as is the case in all committees. Senator Ray, do you mean to suggest that the charge of telling a lie to the Senate in order to pass legislation is a a minor issue? So you Senator, admit lying openly to the Senate? Motives aside? Attacking the head of the Economics Committee in such an ad-hominem fashion is rather a pathetic move and possibly the last bastion you can muster before you acknowledge that in this matter Senator, you were wrong, you lied to the representatives of the Galaxy and thus to every New Republic Citizen. Whats more you are only brining more shame to youself by refusing to apologise for the lie! Even if you had reason for it, it was a barefaced lie. This information was undoubtedly in multiple databases already, the NRIs and Dantooines for example, I don’t see as any harder to slice now. Regardless, as you are declaring these weapons, but refusing to actually give locations which we can verify, I will lead an Economics Committee Investigation to Dantooine, I will personally inspect each weapon and see if there has been any further foul play here. You are not free to go at this stage Senator, whatever you may think, you will stay and answer our questions or I will be forced to write a letter to the Chairman of the Senate and Seargeant at Arms in order that you do come and answer the questions posed to you. Whether you feel this committee is important or not is irrelevant, the law finds it relevant, and this committee finds it relevant for you to be here to answer our questions.
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Airen_Cracken | Date: Monday, 09 Mar 2009, 4:51 PM | Message # 7 |
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| If I might interject for a moment, for the benefit of Senator Ray's and the Council's understanding, none of the defenses that I have discussed have been heretofore classified in any way, shape or form. It has been and remains public information (with the exception of the planetary class weapons that the Chief of State disclosed in his statement of the 23rd of February, which were, but as a result are no longer classified). However, with respect to verifying the existence of the weapons, I can assure that NRI's figures are indeed correct. Also, if it is necessary to your investigation to know the whereabouts of each weapon (although it was my understanding that only the existence of the weapons was relevant, and not their locations), NRI can also furnish that data to the Council in a classified manner, and thus save you the time and expense of an investigation on Dantooine to acquire information that is already on record. And, one closing point with regard to records, I can assure you Senators that our data is quite secure from slicers.
General Airen Cracken New Republic Intelligence
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Exar_Ray | Date: Tuesday, 10 Mar 2009, 5:45 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Senator, since it's seems that you demand an apology from me. So, as an effort of good faith, I will present one to a general nature. To those that this may concern, as is the basic principle of debate and democracy, is the invention of arguements. Arguements give people a voice in which to express themselves, and like those voices, are things exaggerated. As in any very heated debate (in which the good Senator seems to quote me), misleads do happen. As a matter of fact, they always happen on a vast majority of subjects. It was not my intentions to mislead anyone within the Senate, and if a simple clarification was asked, I would of cleared it up. However as it seems, several of my colleuges here simply look for me to get into a heated debate and simply go off that and surround it with all sorts of controversy. As many of those that have worked with me know, I would never lie to the Senate or the good people of the New Republic. And as part of the Chief of State's policy on Planetary Sovereignty, any and all classified activities that do happen upon a planet is that planet's sole responsibility and secret, not subject to anyone's question unless the government themself wish for the certain individual to know. So to you, Senator Kruus. You may try to step foot upon my planet to investigate, however without a written warrent from Chair of the Senate Emerest himself, or Chief Justice Neolight... the visit will do you no good, and I will simply ask you to remove yourself. And also Senator, being a patriot of the New Republic and of the people of Dantooine, I would never expect someone such as yourself to understand where I come from with this all. It takes a man of true heart to understand me... something which appears you lack Senator. Exar Ray Senator of Dantooine
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 10 Mar 2009, 9:00 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I have only one, hypothetical question for Senator Ray. As I am the Chairman of the Commerce Council (in addition to my membership on this committee), if it appeared that I had deliberately misled the Senate in order to pass a bill to the commercial benefit of Brentaal, should I not resign from my Chairmanship under that circumstance? And if it appeared that I had accidentally misled the Senate with the same result, should I not then resign for my carelessness? Senator Cambrist, Brentaal Chairman of the Commerce Council
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Exar_Ray | Date: Wednesday, 11 Mar 2009, 3:48 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Well, being as how I do not believe that I deliberately misled the Senate... Senator, I cannot give a good answer as to that as best as you would wish. However, if there was confusion as to what was said, I would of asked for a more clearer input rather then simply take a single paragraph and decide to hold a useless committee. As for accidentally misleading the Senate, there is no reason to resign, because we are all guilty of such acts. It's the common principle of debate. Exar Ray Senator of Dantooine
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Simon_Levi | Date: Thursday, 12 Mar 2009, 5:43 PM | Message # 11 |
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| *Senator Kruus spent some time deliberating with the Committee* Senator, I thank you for your admission of misleading the Senate, although I feel that while you may believe it common, neither I nor other Senators see it as acceptable for someone in a position of authority to mislead the Senate over a matter so specific to their area. As such, this committee finds unanimously that you, Senator Exar Ray very likely mislead the Senate intentionally. And finds it certain that the Senate passed the Dantooine Defense and Recovery Act on the basis of false information. Now, moving onto the next matter, I would say the siting of the turbolasers, and all other weapons on Dantooine is an Economic matter, the value of these weapons upkeep in local conditions must be assessed, the worth of the real-estate they are on, etc. As such, a full investigation will be dispatched to Dantooine forthwith, and will report back to this Committee in the coming weeks, any members of the Committee who wish to attend will be more than welcome to do so, as their expertise will be valued. *Kruus handed a copy of the warrant, signed by the Chair of the Senate to an aide, who carried it over to Exar* You will find my paperwork in order, the investigative panel will leave in 8 standard hours.
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Airen_Cracken | Date: Saturday, 14 Mar 2009, 11:32 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Please be advised also, Councilmen, that an NRI delegation will aid you in your investigation to properly catalog and encode the information gathered for your Council, both for the Council's convenience and for security concerns. I will forward to you the names of the team, who will await you upon your departure.
General Airen Cracken New Republic Intelligence
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