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The Dantooine Investigation
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Tuesday, 21 Apr 2009, 2:00 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The Dantooine Investigation
SENATORIAL EDITION Availible for public disclosure, pending Senate Oversight Summary
1. On the question of the state of Dantooine’s defenses.
1.1. Dantooines Soldiers as of the moment stand at: 400 (all personnel) – This could not be verified, but we find it unrealistic that Dantooine could even enforce the law with these few men let alone man its planetary weapons or oppose an invasion. We would ask the Defense Council to investigate the veracity of the number listed.
1.2. It is to be noted that this investigation finds, on the basis of 400 militia members to defend a whole planet and man its weapons, that the Government of Dantooine has committed an act of extreme negligence in protecting its people.
1.3. Dantooine’s army poseses over 400 vehicles, many of which are personnel carriers or tanks that require crews of over one man, as such this makes the Dantooine Militia able to man less than half in the event of an invasion (if they man their planetary weapons too).
1.4. The vehicles and weapons owned by Dantooine are in some cases very poor quality and in poor repair, also much of the armor possessed is archaic.
1.5. As such this is considered again an act of extreme negligence and fiscal waste.
1.6. These vehicles are stored (presumably fueled and ready for combat), making them a liability if they were captured by an invading force or terrorist group.
1.7. Aside from the New Republic forces present, if the Empire was to land a force of a few hundred stormtroopers it is estimated that Dantooine could be taken overnight.
1.8. The New Republic ground forces stationed at Dantooine have been seen to increasingly use local narcotics and prostitution services as an outlet for what was described as 'sheer boredom', it is to be reccomended that alternative entertainment be provided and ground troops be regularly rotated to more interesting assignments. 2. On the question of good governance and the character of Senator Exar Ray
2.1. This committee finds that in light of the extreme concealment placed around the planetary defense weapons (locating them variously in a rock in a rural area and in an IMC facility) that these weapons are intended to be secret – and as such them not being mentioned with reference to the Dantooine Defense and recovery act.
2.2. As such this committee finds it extremely likely that Senator Exar Ray knowingly lied to the Senate, and calls for him to consider his position.
2.3. Senator Exar Ray threatened to throw the Chaiman of the Defense Council off a cliff during the investigation, causing Senator Kruus to fear for his life – this matter is to be taken up in a legal case.
2.4. Senator Exar Ray followed the Economics Committee investigation around with a camera, keeping them under constant surveillance without their consent or permission.
2.5. It appears the use of spice is becoming common on Dantooine with the local government being simply impotent as their population spends their disaster relief money on cheap narcotics.
2.6. Senator Exar Ray has largely used his position to channel money to Dantooine through various bills and purchases, notably staying completely silent on important defense issues such as the Acherin Blockade, acting poorly for a chairman of the Defense Committee.
2.7. Senator Exar Ray has had his wisdom called into question by being the only Senator to support putting a Sith who actively fought the Republic in the Clone wars in the hallowed legislature of the Senate.
2.8. Senator Exar Ray imposed housing planetary weapons within their civilian facilities on the OSC as a condition of operating on Dantooine, a flagrantly immoral act.
2.9. Senator Exar Ray made frequent, speciesist innuendo that caused emotional distress to several Council members. 3. On the question of the spending of the money allocated under the Dantooine Defense and Recovery act.
3.1. The ground forces of Dantooine must be Strengthened and made more practical.
3.2. This would be done by selling off much of Dantooine’s older armored vehicles in favour of more modern repulsor vehicles.
3.3. The Dantooine Militia must be raised in numbers to no less than 3,500 members, in order to effectively police the population and act as defense, as it stands Dantooine is utterly (to the point of it being criminally) dependant on the New Republic.
3.4. Dantooine stands as a bulwark against both the Council of Moffs and Pentastar Alignment (to some extend justifying the massive defense spending here) due to its presence in between the two factions space.
3.5 However, this means that if Dantooine is to be a bulwark, it is hardly practical to pay to sustain its non-military economy (for any purpose other than to supply the local garrison).
3.5. We would however recommend (as an ideal theoretical situation) that if this is to be the case that Dantooine be declared a Warzone and be placed under New Republic Administration, with as much of the Dantooine public evacuated as possible to other worlds and resettled. While this would result in a certain amount of agricultural loss, it would certainly result in many thousands of lives being saved if the Empire attacks again.
3.6 We recommend that even if this is not the case due to practical constraints, the New Republic doubles its garrison for the sake of the undefended people of Dantooine (until Dantooine raises its own forces, and to supervise their training). Page 1 of 1,842
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| DannilBoVar | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 7:37 PM | Message # 2 |
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| "With the following quotation in mind I would like to address the Senate on the findings of the Economics Committee: '1.4. The vehicles and weapons owned by Dantooine are in some cases very poor quality and in poor repair, also much of the armor possessed is archaic.' Let it be formally known that the InterGalactic Mining Core began a project long ago with the Dantooine Government to bring there kits (including weapons and equipment for milita personnel) up to standards with the current New Republic level. This project was successful and the InterGalactic Mining Core feels that the statement that the items sold to Dantooine are 'archaic' is both wrong, and offensive. As such, we formally request that the Economics committee revise the findings, or that a separate Committee be established to investigate the validity of the Economics Committee findings on Dantooine."
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 8:25 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I would caution the Representative from the IMC on this issue. We refer specifically to the AT-AP and AT-PT walkers posessed by the Dantooine Militia, as is clarified on page 138 of the investigation. 'The individual combat equiptment, Blasters etc of the Dantooine militia is of the highest quality, having recently been provided by the foremost defense contractor in the New Repubic' - Dantooine Investigation 1.4 Page 138 On the matter of much of the equipment being outdated, I refer to walkers over 30 years being used by the Dantooine Militia, that by the admission of my predecessor Chairman Loran were in likely in poor condition and spare parts would not be readily availible. "Be advised, however, that our surplus AT-AP's are reportedly in very poor condition, although their weapons systems are functional." Chairman Loran "Be advised, however, that the Republic (to my knowledge) does not have any facilities that are still producing components for the AT-AP. Some of them were destroyed in the Clone Wars, and most were subsequently restructured by the Empire to produce more advanced walker lines. To get the parts you need, the Khoonda Administration will likely need to approach a private, specialty manufacturer " - Chairman Loran So as you can see, there is no criticism of the IMC implied here. However, the Statement stands that much of their equipment is in poor condition, despite the IMC equipping individual troopers.
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 8:28 PM | Message # 4 |
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| 1.1. Dantooine no longer has 400 militiamen. With recruitment on the rise, Dantooine now has a total of 3,300 members in the militia to keep a stable and secure force.
1.2. This is irrelavent, as we have the manpower to protect the people of Dantooine.
1.3. Vehicles are effectively manned.
1.4. Weapons and Vehicles are properly maintained. We are sorry this committee is very biased and fails to report anything good about Dantooine.
1.5. There is no waste.
1.6. Obviously they would be prepped and ready in the event of an attack. Does the committee really want us to leave them dry? That would make them MORE able to be captured.
1.7. Sorry to say, we are more then capible of holding off the enemy till reinforcements arrive.
1.8. We also apologize the Committee has created some excuse. Hardly anything of that nature exists on Dantooine. 2.1. It is obvious that if we left them in the open, they would be easy targets. While freedom is a liberty we all enjoy, the Imperials enjoy it too. What good is a hidden defense if it is known?
2.2 I did not knowinly lie about the situation. No one ever took the time to ask me one-on-one or in this Senate forum.
2.3 I am sorry that Senator Kruus does not have a sense of humor. It will not happen again.
2.4 You expect me to allow them into a secured area with no type of recording? Security cameras were placed at the sites for a reason. I will not lower the defenses for anyone.
2.5. It is a citizen's choice being that spice is legal within New Republic territories.
2.6. When I have a rediculous investigation going on, it is very difficult to attend to certain matters.
2.7. I am a fair man, and while I will never approve of not allowing a force user into the New Republic Senate, I will not be accused of being fair towards someone who's intentions is in the right place.
2.8. The OSC facilities were never civilian in the first place. It is very obvious that this investigation is biased. Senator Kruus and his committee deliberatly disturbed the peace with them landing more members and disrupting the lives of the members of Dantooine with needless questions. I also feel outnumbered being as how he simply attempted to take control and it is obvious by these biased accusations, that he is simply out to make me lose my job. I recommend to the Chief of State that this report be thrown out, and I second the IMC's request that a seperate committee conduct it's own investigation. Based on what grounds? The bias of Senator Kruus. Exar Ray
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 8:44 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Before I enter into discourse with the Senator, I would hasten to add that this discourse, specifically about milita numbers is correct in the original report at the time data was collected. While it may be correct that the militia has now raised 2900 more men, its strength stood the ridiculous and irresponsible level of 400 before this investigation spurred Dantooine into action. Regardless, while it is a step in the right direction we hasten to point out that 2900 of the Dantooine Militia are 2 weeks into training, and as such still a long way from being fully trained and professional combat soldiers, furthermore it is still a disgrace that it took an Economics Committee hearing to tell the Chairman of the Defense Committee his own planet was poorly defended, when his very role is to lecture us on out own defenses. With respect to the conduct of my Investigation I would request Colonel Blount of the NRI and Aide Clemens of Dantooine to address this chamber. With reference to the OSC facilities, which were civilian, I call upon Chairman Emeritus Loran.
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 8:50 PM | Message # 6 |
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| And what would the Senator of Neimoidia know about HUMAN soldiers? As far as I'm concerned, you only got a 20 minute look at one of the Khoonda Militia's exercises for the day. Do not dare to go toe to toe with me on this Senator. You may have your battle droids, but I have the heart and soul of patrioits. Something your report does not include... but then again your reports forget to include a lot of good things, which I can assure every member of this Senate there is double then what Senator Kruus is more then willing to admit. Exar Ray
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 9:04 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Senator, I do not know about in your words 'HUMAN' soldiers? I call upon you to examine your extremely racist statement and explain yourself. I would call on every non-Human to heed this speciesist statement. I would ask him what he knows however of Alien soldiers? of Wookiee Warriors, proud and true, of Neimoidian Warriors, adaptable and strong, of Calamari Knights? By your words you discredit us all. I know about Sentient beings, and I know that every life is precious and as such Neimoidia does, yes, use as few organic soldiers as possible, in order that we save lives, something which the Senator from Dantooine is wilfully ignoring. I have over 400 humans in my own secturity detail, which I consider sufficient to Defend only my personal arcology on Coruscant... In tandem with many hundreds of droids and thousands of automated systems. Four hundred men is not enough to defend a planet. .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... ..........
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 9:47 PM | Message # 8 |
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| If I may add to my colleague's imagery, there are more than two times more Senators in this chamber right now than there were soldiers on Dantooine, prior to the recent expansion that Senator Ray speaks of, which was apparently a result of the Economics Council investigation. I praise Senator Kruus for doing the work of the Defense Council and warning Dantooine of its deficiency, and Senator Ray too should be commended for agreeing with Senator Kruus, if only he would admit to it. For the record, the people of Brentaal are deeply troubled by the findings of this report, to learn that a man of apparently questionable character would not only, seemingly, neglect the defense of his own planet, but also preside over the defense of us all. Furthermore, considering the Economics Council's diligent reporting, it does seem as though Senator Ray likely did deliberately mislead the Senate with regard to concealing his planetary weapons. Personally, I do not believe that "no one ever took the time to ask me" is an acceptable excuse. Because, if it is our fault for not asking about your defenses, Senator Ray, then how many other questions about potential wrongdoing must we also ask? For instance, Senator Ray, do you have any superweapons on your planet? Senator Ray, do you have any "secret" armies or fleets? Senator Ray, have you ever taken bribes? Senator Ray, have you ever committed a war crime? Senator Ray, are you a Sith? Senator Ray, have you ever had any relations with Imperials? Senator Ray, have you ever had intimate relations with a prostitute? Senator Ray, have you ever had intimate relations with a nonsentient creature or object? Senator Ray, have you ever, or ever attempted to self fellate? By your logic, Senator Ray, we would have to ask you all these questions, otherwise apparently you're not responsible for them. Is it too much to ask, Senator Ray, for disclosure? As a member of the Economics Council, I second the report of the Council and, in closing, draw particular attention to point 2.2. Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
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| DannilBoVar | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 10:02 PM | Message # 9 |
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| "I would ask that the good Senator from Neimoidia strike 'weapons' from the official draft as the kits--provided in full by the InterGalactic Munitions Coporation--are up to par with Republic standards. With respect, this appears to be the only fallacy that the IMC finds in relation to the findings (of which the IMC can directly verify). Beyond that, we thank the esteemed Senator for clarification on the issue."
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 10:18 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I do not mean to preempt Senator Kruus, but if I might draw the good Representative's attention to page 1,216, under the heading of "Definitions," and the subsection "Article I," that in many cases throughout the article, "the term 'weapons,' when used A.) in conjunction with, and/or B.) in the context of vehicles, may, but does not necessarily, refer to the armament or loadout on the vehicles in question, to be distinguished from A.) the weapons systems of Khoonda soldiers, or B.) the planetary weapons, aforementioned (see pages 1,217 and 1,218, respectively)." Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 11:04 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Now, I have not had a chance to read the entirety of this report yet, but have read most of it. Now, my main question here is, was the Republic garrison on the planet taken into account as well as the strong presence of military force of the Braxant Defense Initiative's reactionary forces and large starfighter bases taken into account when assessing the security risk to Dantooine that is presented by a understaffed milita? Now I agree, four hundred is light... and at least see to it a full regiment be standing, including vehicle operators and support personnel, recommending the Heavy Repulsorlift Regiment model as a basis for the restructuring. The main problem I have personally with Dantooine's situation is, one, low troop levels, which Senator Ray has already seemingly corrected, and lack of support personnel. Senator Ray, could you enlighten me on whether the Khoonda Milita now has, or has begun programs to obtain, support personnel? And, as I have noted before, I do believe this was perhaps wrongly placed in the Economics Council's hands, no offense intended to Kruus or the other members of the Council, and I recommend should a investigation of the findings, or a follow-up for that matter, instead be headed by the Defense Council or Council on Security and Intelligence...two councils whom would be more directly involved with the matter at hand.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 11:39 PM | Message # 12 |
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| But surely the Defense Council under Chairman Ray should not be investigating the improprieties of Chairman Ray, since he has apparently refused to step down as Chairman even temporarily while he is under scrutiny. However, if other Councils wish to investigate as well, then by all means. Do note, however, that the NRI was present with Senator Kruus and the other Council members, and can corroborate this report. To remind Senator Forte, however, the purpose of this investigation was not specifically to evaluate Dantooine's defenses, but rather how those defenses relate to the conduct and character of Senator Ray, whether he misled the Senate on the subject of those defenses, and what bearing this should have on his Chairmanship of the Defense Council. It does have certain economic connotations, as well, but I will not dwell on them because I do not wish to distract from the topic, that topic being Exar Ray. Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Wednesday, 22 Apr 2009, 11:55 PM | Message # 13 |
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| So by that context then, any actual recommendations by the Economics Committee on how the Khoonda Milita should perform, or be restructured, etc. should be stricken from the record, as well as any evaluation of the effectiveness of their performance against a hypothetical attack, and uch comments should be limited to, essentially, "The Khoonda Militia has been mismanaged by Senator Ray", following your logic, Senator Cambrist; wouldn't you agree?
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 23 Apr 2009, 0:15 AM | Message # 14 |
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| You've misunderstood me, Senator Forte. That the facts documented here were documented by the Economics Council does not make them any less factual, or any less disturbing, and does not make the recommendations any less sound. My remarks were merely an attempt to bring us back to the subject of this discussion, from which you had meandered away. Do see the larger picture, Senator. Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Thursday, 23 Apr 2009, 1:18 PM | Message # 15 |
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| If all these rather biased assumptions could be put to rest, I can speak for myself. Senator Kruus only took the time to investigate what he believed was mis-management. Only taking the time to bother the Militiamen, disrupt security proceedings, and overall waste my time with pointless accusations. I will say this for the last time there is no mis-management of the Militia. Support Personnel programs have begun, but allow me to remind everyone of the common fact; we are farmers! Not soldiers or warriors. Not greedy or center-based. We are simply people that attempt to do our jobs out in the fields. I ask you ALL when was the last time any of you have done a hard day's labor with machinery and other sorts of farming equipment. I challenge you all on that one. I will not allow any more investigations because frankly, the people of Dantooine grow tired of collecting political fame. While some of you have the security of the deep core, allow me to remind you all that we do not. We do not have the modernized cities of towns that many of you enjoy. We all settle for estates and little huts on the horizon of fields with wild animals that would be ready to kill. So do what you wish, I no longer refuse to be the Defense Committee Chairman for this Senate that falls for the tactics of money. I can see now that greed is on the rise here. Everyone go against Exar Ray because it puts an extra amount in your pay. Everyone listen to Kruus, everyone do this, and everyone do that. I will not accept this biased reports, I will not admit nor deny to anything. Take it as you wish, but I have proved my innocents but because the sign of credits flashing over your eyes, none of you seem to care. So fellow Senators, do what you wish. But from this point on, I will no longer deal with an ego the size of one's head. Yes, no more. I have MORE important matters to attend to, and while you all can sit here and babble whether or not I did this or that, it makes no difference to me. I am a patriot of the New Republic, and will always support out boys, girls, and other sentients in blue. A beacon of democracy... has become a dump for biasism. And with that, I take my leave from this discussion. Exar Ray
Senator of Dantooine
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