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Memorandum for Lommen Ryuun
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2009, 6:18 PM | Message # 1 |
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Field Office of the Defense Council Chairman Memorandum for: Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell
Subject: Militia Oversight Act
Security: Encrypted-Defense Council Channel Senator, my apologies on the delay in reaching you on this matter. Now, to work together on this matter I think is of great importance. Thus, I ask right off the bat, in a private forum, that you voice your concerns with the version of the Militia Oversight Act that the Defense Council submitted.
General Cul'utaan'forte
Forte's Legion
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 14 May 2009, 12:02 PM | Message # 2 |
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Senator, New Plympto
Chairman, Defense Council
Subject: Militia Oversight Act
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I will do as you request, Senator, but I am unclear if you wish me to make a movement in the Senate's private forums to support the revised bill or the existing bill. Forgive me if I am confused, but I have been overwhelmed lately by pressing matters. Lomen Ryuun
Druckenwell
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Friday, 15 May 2009, 12:11 PM | Message # 3 |
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Field Office of the Defense Council Chairman Memorandum for: Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell
Subject: Militia Oversight Act
Security: Encrypted-Defense Council Channel I mean here, on our private channel in which were are currently conversing. What I am saying, is fire away to me on your problems with the version originally put forward, no holds barred.
General Cul'utaan'forte
Forte's Legion
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 15 May 2009, 1:24 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Memorandum for: Cul-utaan Forte
Senator, New Plympto
Chairman, Defense Council
Subject: Militia Oversight Act
Security: Encrypted-Defense Council Chamber As you can see, here is the initial series of acts as proposed by you. Quote Article I Due to increasingly independent militia forces which have not only interfered in Republic foreign policy, but increased the risk of attack in retaliation by aggressors against the Republic, all planetary militia forces will hereby be under the immediate oversight of the Defense Council. Article II
With this oversight, with Defense Council approval, the NRDF may acquire the support, be it anywhere from a logistical role to a front line combat role, of planetary militias should the need arise. Also, in domestic affairs (i.e. rebellion, insurrection, terrorist attack), a NRDF command officer may take direct command of militia forces, should they deem it necessary. Article III
Should a militia force be deemed out of control, the Defense Council may issue federal funding cuts, and should it deem it necessary, go as far as nationalize a planetary militia, assuming direct federal control of all planetary defense and security, and temporarily revoke planetary militia rights. The assets of the militia force would be repossessed by the NRDF, and used in a manner of benefit to the military and the Republic as a whole, while the Defense Council re-conditions the militia force into a disciplined military asset capable of effective combat. After re-conditioning the militia forces, they will be returned to the member in question, along with its militia rights. Article IV
In extreme cases, a world, and or its current regime, could be deemed unfit for holding militia rights. If this is the case, a large scale permanent NRDF base will be deployed to the world. Until the world can reform itself and it policies, it would not be allowed its militia rights. Now this is the revised series of acts. Quote Article I (Revised) Stemming from the issue of independent militias causing problems with New Republic foreign policy, all planetary militias will be subject to a system of check-and-balance where planetary governors and/or senators must first be granted permission from the Senate and (preferably) at least one ranking officer (Colonel or higher) of the New Republic Defense Forces before taking any hostile action or action that could be perceived as hostile against another planet. Article II (Revised)
(Section I)
Realizing that each planetary militia is a contributor to the New Republic Defense Forces and the continued safety of the New Republic and its worlds, each planetary militia will not be expected to answer to an undefined New Republic Defense Forces officer when domestic affairs arrive. Instead, any militia will have the option of requesting (if available) the role of an adviser in domestic military matters from a New Republic Defense Forces officer of Major or higher rank.
(Section II)
In times of war, if a planetary militia is called upon to serve the New Republic in a frontline or logistical role, their officers will retain primary command of any units within said militia. However, an officer of the New Republic Defense Forces (Major rank or higher) will be placed in overall command for the sake of propriety and the fact that said militias will be serving as New Republic Defense Forces units for the duration of their stay. Article III (Revised)
If any planetary militia (presumably by the orders of a planetary governor or senator) commits atrocities against the liberty or well-being of any other planetary or space-faring peoples, the Economics Council, with consent of the Senate, after a full investigation, will be permitted to impose stiff fines for the sake of reparation to any civilization and/or peoples who have been wronged. Furthermore, when the above mentioned investigation is complete, the person or persons responsible for said atrocities or indignities will be called upon to answer for their actions. Officers in planetary militias are not exempt from this, as an officer is a person who supposedly has character and a sense of leadership. The excuse of simply following orders will not be tolerated.
Article IV (Revised)
No world or planet, regardless of atrocities committed, can be deemed unfit to have a militia for the sake of defense and well-being of that planet's peoples. In the event a planetary militia is unable to reign its actions in, or the planetary governor, senator or commanding officers cannot prevent their soldiers from acting in such a fashion that would damage the image of the New Republic and its hard-won tenets of liberty, equality and freedom, said militia members will be subject to military tribunal under the charges of treason and sabotage of the New Republic. This measure may be considered harsh, but if we do not act in some ways to set rules, we will not be able to deter possible criminals. The first act has been revised for the sake that it's wording was quite hostile, for starters. It is unacceptable to place any planetary militia directly under the control of the Defense Council. That is far too dangerous to be initiated and frankly, I would not support it. My revision therefore states that under a system of check-and-balances, the Senate and one or more officers with high experience (hence Colonel rank or higher), must sign off on any actions taken by any planetary militia before they engage in any hostilities without being attached to a NRDF group. Article II was a much larger revision. The original act made it seem as if the NDRF could simply snatch and grab from planetary militias at will without asking first and that in domestic matters, the NDRF could simply step in at any time and take control. That is more agreeable with tyranny. As such, the first section states that it will be allowed by a planetary militia, when in a domestic issue, to request an advisory position of an NRDF officer. This allows them to have the option to ask for NRDF help or not. Section II states that, in place of an NRDF officer being in direct command, planetary militias can retain autonomy by having their own officers in direct command, yet an NDRF officer in overall command when utilized by the NDRF. Your Act III... well, Senator, there were far too many breaches of freedoms and diplomacy to even consider it. As such, my Act III allows imposing stiff fines against the wrongdoers so that those wronged might be given reparation in some small way. Credits are no payment for a human life, but it can still assist grieving families. It also ensures that those responsible for wrongdoing will be tried by the New Republic courts. Act IV was your worst, if I may be blunt. It was unconstitutional, unacceptable and quite angering to all involved. As such, I had to present an alternate act that would be acceptable. As such, we will not be instituting bases or the like on other worlds. We simply subject the officers and soldiers for military tribunal. Lomen Ryuun
Druckenwell
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Sunday, 17 May 2009, 11:43 PM | Message # 5 |
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Field Office of the Defense Council Chairman Memorandum for: Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell
Subject: Militia Oversight Act
Security: Encrypted-Defense Council Channel You bring forth a fine arguement, but one point I must add on, is this bill isn't as powerful as it seems...and your version has well, not alot of strength behind to bring these rogue members back into line. Look at Acherin... this is what this bill is being formed up to prevent. We can not let ourselves revert back to the anarchy that confederalism brings...and that is what alot of this Acherin affair stems from...and in part, no offense, your arguement against the original Article IV. A will to return to the confederation the Rebel Alliance was. This is not the Rebel Alliance, this is the New Republic. This is no rebellion, this is the galactic government. There are certain things we must do, that we would of never thought of as a rebellion. There are tasks, that many during the rebellion would be uncomfortable contemplating, that one must do as the galactic government. It is our duty to the people of this galaxy, from those recently liberated from the Empire to those still living under the Imperial heel. The revised Article III...frankly, I would vehemontly oppose any sort of measure that attempts to place defense and military affairs and oversight into the hands of a Council other than Defense. It does not belong in any other Council, not to mention it would be a serious breach of our Senatorial Council system. Now, your comment on Article IV, which was...
Quote (LomenRyuun) Placing the NRDF and its bases in such a manner is nearly akin to hostile occupation, and that is something I would not tolerate on my world.
I have thoughts on this, which I restrained from voicing, but I find this a very unpatriotic and disloyal comment unbecoming a Galactic Senator. You have joined the New Republic, thus is it where your loyalties lie. It is your government, and if it wishes to station its loyal fighting men and women there, than it is able to do so as it pleases. If you can not control your militia and the federal government has had to step in to bring them into the shape of a respectable, honorable, and official fighting force under the New Republic's flag, then it is your fault that these brave men and women now patrol your streets rather than relax in their barracks. To be honest, one with such a powerful opposition of a New Republic presence has only something to hide...but that is my opinion. Now, I'll break to the chase, and stop venting my strong opinions. I'm looking to get this legislation passed...and I do know that the original of this legislation was too strongly worded...however I want you to also realise that your revised version doesn't have any balls. Now, what I propose is that we come to a middle ground...and if you agree to this, I will float you my idea for a middle ground proposal. So, are you game with working for a hawk like myself?
General Cul'utaan'forte
Forte's Legion
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 18 May 2009, 9:51 AM | Message # 6 |
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Senator, New Plympto
Chairman, Defense Council
Subject: Militia Oversight Act
Security: Encrypted-Defense Council Chamber Quote (Cul-utaanForte) this bill isn't as powerful as it seems...and your version has well, not a lot of strength behind to bring these rogue members back into line. If this is the galactic government, Senator, then your Article IV is still unacceptable. As you will note, the majority of my revised act states that actions occur with the backing of the Senate and the New Republic Defense Forces. As such, it is the NRDF that will back the acts, under the direction of the Senate. A planetary militia is made up of peoples of that planet. The NDRF is something much larger.
Quote (Cul-utaanForte) The revised Article III...frankly, I would vehemently oppose any sort of measure that attempts to place defense and military affairs and oversight into the hands of a Council other than Defense. It does not belong in any other Council, not to mention it would be a serious breach of our Senatorial Council system.
The Defense Council is not responsible for taxation. The Defense Council is not capable of denying a planet its own militia. To pass such an act would surely result in general mocking laughter and a simple avoidance to listen to this act. That specific article stands a good chance of causing the act to fail, Senator. Placing the Economics Council in charge of fines is only good business. A military tribunal can try offenders in its court as well. Quote (Cul-utaanForte) I have thoughts on this, which I restrained from voicing, but I find this a very unpatriotic and disloyal comment unbecoming a Galactic Senator. You have joined the New Republic, thus is it where your loyalties lie. It is your government, and if it wishes to station its loyal fighting men and women there, than it is able to do so as it pleases. If you can not control your militia and the federal government has had to step in to bring them into the shape of a respectable, honorable, and official fighting force under the New Republic's flag, then it is your fault that these brave men and women now patrol your streets rather than relax in their barracks. To be honest, one with such a powerful opposition of a New Republic presence has only something to hide Unlike Neimoidia, Brentaal and the IMC, my world is quite capable of keeping itself under my control. My Minister of Defense has matters well in hand to make sure an embarrassment such as that at Acherin does not occur again. If you feel the need to accuse me of being disloyal and unpatriotic, so be it Senator. Just understand that I could well have taken my world and its resources to the Remnant and they would have rewarded me for it. Instead, I sided with the New Republic. That is all the loyalty I need show to prove myself. Speaking of my revised version, you must understand that it has perfectly legal and strong backing. It places the backing in the hands of the Senate and the NRDF as a whole. However... I am willing to listen and see if your middle ground makes good sense. I will not work for you, Senator Forte. If you are a hawk, then you are too bold and will find yourself snared in a hunter's net. The prowling and sly fox is a better animal to emulate. So instead, we will work together. Lomen Ryuun
Druckenwell
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Thursday, 21 May 2009, 2:43 PM | Message # 7 |
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Memorandum for: Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell
Subject: Militia Oversight Act
Security: Encrypted-Defense Council Channel Give me time to return to my office, and tonight I will have a version with which we can both work on.
General Cul'utaan'forte
Forte's Legion
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