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Reform of the Application Process
Eli_FitzgeraldDate: Wednesday, 02 Dec 2009, 2:18 AM | Message # 1
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There are over 1,000 beings in this chamber—Senators, Ambassadors, Legates, and so on. When a new, prospective member of this body presents himself, herself, or itself for questioning, it has traditionally been the right of any one of us to ask of the applicant whatever questions we wish, on whatever subjects we wish, in order to determine the applicant's opinions on the issues and whether we agree or disagree with those opinions. There is nothing wrong with this.

However, the process has historically been open to abuse. If only one of the 1,000 beings in this room disagrees with an applicant on some matter of importance for them, it is possible for that being to hold the application hostage with incessant questioning (since the procedure states that an application cannot be approved until "the questions and reservations of the Senate are satisfied"). When this occurs, we are preventing elected—or otherwise properly selected—representatives from representing their worlds, thus depriving those worlds of their constitutional right to be heard, and to have a say in their government. This is wrong.

It is wrong to obstruct a legitimate representative from representing his, her, or its people just because one or more beings may have some difference of opinion with the applicant. The Senate has the right to query an applicant, of course, but they should not have the right to do so without end. I propose a modest change to the application procedure; that henceforth, every Senator will be allowed to question an applicant just as before, but will be able to do so for a specific amount of time allotted to them, and no longer. I propose 5 minutes of questioning per Senator, Ambassador, Legate, and so on, should they desire it.

If every Senator in the chamber, hypothetically, questioned an applicant for 5 minutes, this would amount to 83 hours (or approximately 3 1/2 days, and this does not include the applicant's answers). Surely, this is enough time to solicit their opinions and then allow them to assume their rightful place in this chamber, even if we don't necessarily agree with them on 100% of the issues of importance to us. To do any less, I argue, is not only wrong but is unconstitutional. I vote in favor of the time limit, and it would apply to future applications, pending, and in progress.

Furthermore, it has now been 21 days since I challenged Senator Kruus to support his accusations with facts. He has not done so.


Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)

"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."


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OrionKarathDate: Thursday, 03 Dec 2009, 10:04 PM | Message # 2
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Approve

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Cul-utaanForteDate: Thursday, 03 Dec 2009, 10:05 PM | Message # 3
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Senator_CambristDate: Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 1:09 PM | Message # 4
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I see no compelling reason to oppose this measure (a rare moment of agreement between myself and the Senator from Ralltiir). This has been the tradition of the Senate for over 1,000 years and I can think of useful purposes for it, but I suppose the Senator is correct that it could potentially pose a constitutional conflict if one ever wished to challenge it. Speaking of constitutional conflicts, however, I question this bill's applicability to "pending and in progress" Senate applications, as this smells like an ex post facto provision.

However, I recognize that even without this clause, current applications could be withdrawn and re-submitted, thus, averting this entirely. Therefore, with a vague sense of nihilism I vote in favor of the measure.

Also, I found Senator Karath's and Senator Forte's brilliantly articulated reasons for supporting the measure quite inspiring.


 
Ponc_GavrisomDate: Saturday, 05 Dec 2009, 7:47 PM | Message # 5
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I am broadly in favour of this motion, and against wasting time in the chamber itself. However, I recognise the right of certain Senators to have all their questions answered. Thus I propose Senators be allowed to propose written questions, and will have the right to have them replied to (to their satisfaction) before the application can procede.

Will Senator Fitzgerald support this amendment?


Ponc Gavrisom
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Eli_FitzgeraldDate: Sunday, 06 Dec 2009, 7:29 PM | Message # 6
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This is acceptable. It is an odd day on which I am in agreement with the Chief of State, and odder still when Senator Cambrist is in agreement with me. I must be cautious not to step on any cracks in the duracrete after today's session, or break any mirrors.

Eli Fitzgerald
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Artemis_VandenDate: Wednesday, 09 Dec 2009, 0:04 AM | Message # 7
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I vote in favor of the bill. It is a fine opportunity to streamline the functions of the Senate and is, I believe, the latest indication that Ponc Gavrisom's term as Chief of State will be a transformative one indeed. Already there is peace in our time, the galaxy is moving toward disarmament for the first time in history, and droids now enjoy more liberties than ever before. I see this measure as the latest, innovative reform of thousands year old procedures or customs that do no favors to us, and must change as the times have changed.

I am glad to see Senator Fitzgerald working with the Chief of State. I see this as a testament to the President's leadership and the direction in which he is taking the Senate.


Artemis Vanden
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Simon_LeviDate: Thursday, 10 Dec 2009, 12:56 PM | Message # 8
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I vote in favour.

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Ponc_GavrisomDate: Thursday, 10 Dec 2009, 12:56 PM | Message # 9
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Senator Fitzgerald's motion is carried with the friendly amendment from myself "The prospective Senators in question must answer all written questions posed by Senators to their satisfaction, before the application can be approved.".

The motion passes.


Ponc Gavrisom
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