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We Do Not "Exterminate"!
Artemis_VandenDate: Friday, 11 Dec 2009, 0:04 AM | Message # 1
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The entire Naboo delegation was disgusted to read of this report—written by an individual whose salary is paid by the people of the New Republic, and who represents them and us as a diplomat—calling for the "extermination" of Jedi! Our friends at the Jedi Academy are absolutely right to be outraged by this proposal and, Senators, so should we be!

The proposals in this report to "hunt and exterminate" Jedi, or to "register" them in the same manner in which sex offenders are registered, goes against everything this New Republic stands for, and everything the courageous sentients of the Rebellion fought and died for. Senators, the Empire attempted to exterminate the Jedi, but we do not exterminate! If anyone here dissents from this statement, I defy them to say so here, now, in public and not in the shadows of state secrets and classified documents.

I also call upon the Chief of State to repudiate this document and make clear to its author that he is arguing for actions that are against the law, and against common morality and decency. It is truly shameful that a document such as this was or might have been propagated in our very ranks!


Artemis Vanden
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Adoven RynerDate: Friday, 11 Dec 2009, 6:41 AM | Message # 2
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:: Evidently, some clearing up was in order. Adoven stood in the Chandrila Senate pod wearing a modest suit in traditional Chandrilan colors. He was standing as straight as he could, his face looking rather stern and devoid of emotions. It was all he could do to prevent himself from showing his true sentiments. When he would speak, his voice would be clear and strong, his High Coruscanti accent seemingly a twinge haughty. But anyone truly listening could catch the faint quiver of fear in it. ::

Gentlebeings. Honorable representatives. Your Excellency the Chief of State. I am Adoven Ryner, senior member of the New Republic Diplomatic Corps, diplomat and ambassador. I stand before you today to clarify a certain matter. As you no doubt have all been informed by the Coruscant Jounal, a report that I was working on has been leaked. Remember this point: it was stolen from my workstation despite the myriad of protections and leaked to a news agency. The report was nowhere near in a final stage and I would in time have proposed it in front of the Senate.

This report, contrary to the majority’s belief, does not call for the extermination of the Jedi. Rather, for the extermination of the Sith, DARK Jedi and anyone who would use the Force to kill and destroy wantonly. They are above remorse and attempting to rehabilitate them would prove to be pointless. They, after all, would not hesitate to eliminate us to achieve their goals. This report therefore proposes the creation of a joint task force comprised of New Republic and Imperial commandoes as well as the Jedi to track, hunt and deal with those who would use the Force as a weapon to harm us.

As such, the report does look into the possibility of registration for Force-sensitive beings and Force-users. Do we not register traditional weapons such as blasters? The Force in the wrong hands can be just as devastating. That being said, the task force would be in charge of also bringing to justice rogue Force users who may not inherently be evil but still cause damage or loss of life due to their reckless behaviors.

Have we so soon forgotten Carida? Have we forgotten Dal Konur, Darwin Sky and Desann? How is the general population to fend off against people who can deflect blaster bolts with a mere waving of the hand? How are we to keep our inner thoughts private when their powers give them access to our very minds? We are at a distinctive disadvantage against those who would harm us with the Force.

As for those who bandy about words like “Order 66”… For shame. I do not want to eliminate the Jedi, protectors of the Republic and the Galaxy. I am quite aware that this Galaxy would not have been plunged into the darkness it came to know if they had not been eliminated. I helped the Rebellion. I invested money in the Rebellion. I backed it up as much as I could in any ways I could. My father DIED FOR THE REBELLION! For those who might not be aware of this, he was head of the Imperial Senate’s Intelligence Oversight Committee. He took great risks to leak Imperial information to the Alliance and was executed upon the Senate’s dissolution! So do not presume that I am a supporter of the Imperial measures to eliminate Jedi.

Given the heinous and reckless manner in which this document was brought forth, I anticipate that it will not lead to its adoption. It is quite clear that many of you are vehemently opposed to it. I understand that. I merely presented one point of view.


The Hon. Adoven Ryner
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Senator_CambristDate: Friday, 11 Dec 2009, 4:28 PM | Message # 3
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The criticism of this report and its author has been premature and, frankly, uncalled for. Do not misunderstand me; his specific recommendations may be severe, but Mr. Ryner should be lauded for attempting to address a cancerous dilemma for this Republic and its people that most politicians ignore—I refer, of course, to our relationship with the Jedi. The sooner we acknowledge that the Jedi Academy is a feckless seminary whose arcane doctrines encourage a propensity for exceptionalism, despotism, and violence among its members, the sooner we can discuss solutions to this problem in a reasonable manner (rather than succumbing to passions and demagoguery, as Senator Vanden has done here).

Mr. Ryner is right to mention the many instances in which Jedi have become murderous miscreants; Dooku and Durron, Kun and Konur, Crado and C'boath, Ventress and Vader—all of them products of the Jedi Order. The Academy would now have us believe that their teachings are different from the old Jedi, but I do not accept this since, clearly, the problem persists. What is the common denominator throughout this sordid history? It is the Jedi, and their preachings. The Force is a tremendously powerful scientific phenomenon, and we have seen the consequences of shrouding it in myth and superstition, and regarding it as "wizardry." It is tragic that a phenomenon with so much potential for good is squandered by the Jedi for so frivilous (and violent) uses.

The outrage on this issue is misplaced; if anyone is deserving of the sort of sensationalist enfilade that Senator Vanden has loosed here, it is not Mr. Ryner but, rather, it is the Jedi Academy. I ask, which of the two is better intentioned? Which of the two is concerned with the safety of the people, and which is concerned only with its own power and patronage?


 
LomenRyuunDate: Saturday, 12 Dec 2009, 5:10 AM | Message # 4
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I would speak upon this matter at this point, gentlebeings of the Senate. A task force, whether comprised of Republic or Remnant, Jedi or otherwise, is rather pointless; unnecessary, even. I agree that all Force-beings should be required to register, down to the youngest Academy student. It is from the Jedi that the Sith sprung so very long ago, so it is with the Jedi that we should begin.

Now, I am not suggesting tracking devices, implants or anything that restricts their freedom or keeps them prisoner on any planet. I simply agree with precautions. Besides, all the Sith and Dark Jedi you've mentioned have burned out and been eliminated. They reached too high too fast and as such, were destroyed. Why seek them out? They come to us and we dispose of them efficiently enough. Look, if you will, the actions of the NRI against Sith Apprentice Deven Rel'kom on Endor nine years past. A shining example.


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Artemis_VandenDate: Monday, 14 Dec 2009, 7:10 AM | Message # 5
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Mr. Ryner, I did not bring your father into this discussion and I do not impugn his or your patriotism or motives. I'm sure, as Senator Cambrist has said, that you are well intentioned; but the fact remains, Sir, that you are advocating a death squad to commit extrajudicial assassinations. This is profoundly incompatible with the rule of law, and as an official of this government you should have a greater understanding and regard for the Republic and its principles which you represent to the galaxy. No amount of good intentions can excuse the advocacy of criminal actions and, I remind the Senate, all the horrors of history have been done with good intentions.

Senator Ryuun, you are a man whose opinions I ordinarily respect, but in this case I cannot disagree more strongly with you. Do you not realize that segmenting specific portions of the population from one another, in the form of "registering" them for certain attributes considered "dangerous" or "undesirable," is always the first step to a potential genocide? I am not suggesting that it is anyone's intent to perpetrate a latter day Order 66, but how easy would such a task become if all Force sensitive beings—who have committed no crimes and, in the case of children, pose no danger!—are conveniently listed in a database? This would be, if nothing else, a gross invasion of privacy.

And Chief of State Gavrisom, I repeat, emphatically, my call for you to repudiate this report and its proposals in no uncertain terms. Silence on this matter would speak volumes.


Artemis Vanden
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Ponc_GavrisomDate: Monday, 14 Dec 2009, 9:27 AM | Message # 6
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Gentlemen,

I do repudiate this report, emphatically. The New Republic is not in the business of discrimination, be it on race of propensity for use of the force. If a force user is found to have committed a crime then he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, no more, no less.

There will be no permission to slaughter indiscriminately. We will not be having a witch hunt. However, I would propose a committee be formed to investigate this complicated topic, and to address the issue of Force user registration.


Ponc Gavrisom
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Adoven RynerDate: Tuesday, 15 Dec 2009, 3:52 PM | Message # 7
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I thank Senator Cambrist for his… ahem… support. But again, I must stress out the point that this unfinished proposal was not anti-Force and anti-Jedi, but rather anti-misuses-and-crimes-perpetrated-with-the-Force. But as I can see, the idea of a joint task-force to hunt and deal with those people who do kill, maim, destroy and wreak havoc with the Force has hit a dead end.

I was working on that proposal on the principle that some people are so far gone into the so-called “Dark Side” of the Force that return to the “Light” and rehabilitation would be impossible and pointless. Incarceration would also prove fruitless and costly in the worst cases. Only their deaths would prevent more crimes and taking of lives.

To address a point his Excellency Gavrisom said, the unfinished Operation: Zero Tolerance report, and again I stress the unfinished point out, did not talk about slaughtering indiscriminately. It called for the seeking and dealing with of known criminals who use the Force rather than waiting for them to come to us, as Senator Ryuun mentioned to be current practice. Happily and coincidentally stumbling upon a known Sith, Dark Jedi or Rogue Jedi might work well in the rare instances it so happens, but I’d hate for innocents to be slaughtered indiscriminately by such criminals because we’re waiting for them to come to us.

That being said, I do see that this draft has been met with reticence in lieu of its more direct… and I do admit slightly draconian… measures. As such, consider this battle to be over and done with before it was even officially introduced. The majority has spoken and are against it. I do apologize for the stir it has created, but know that I had only good intentions at heart. I merely sought to introduce measures to protect the innocents and eliminate the threats before they caused too much damage.

On the other hand, I am glad to see that the second part of the proposal has created some interest. Should a committee be formed to investigate and address the issue of Force-sensitive and Force-user registration, I would be more than happy to offer any help should you distinguished members deem me trustworthy enough to provide any assistance despite this to-do.


The Hon. Adoven Ryner
Political attaché to the Chandrilan Senator
 
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