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Ban on Interspecies Fornication
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 2010, 2:18 PM | Message # 1 |
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| I propose that sexual intercourse among species be banned, just as bestiality is banned. This is a disgusting practice and, moreover, it is demonstrated to spread infectious diseases (among these, brucellosis and leptospirosis). Also, the breeding of human and "near human" species is known, in most cases, to cause birth defects. This is true for other genetically similar species as well, such as Neimoidians and Duros. There is, thus, both a moral and a public health dimension to this measure. The punishment for this crime shall be imprisonment for no more than six months and, for repeat offenders, sterilization. I vote in favor.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| AriciaCarson | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 2010, 4:56 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Ja'nar would raise a brow as she hears this motion. She would take in a deep breath as she looks to her bodyguard who never seemed to leave her side as she rises gracefully to her feet, her crimson gown edged in gold fell around her as she moved to the front of her pod. I must disagree with this. the breeding of humans and other humaniod species has not been a found to be a factor of birth defects. A woman is just as likely to have a 'defective' child having intercourse with a human than with a humaniod spieces. Honestly I am appauled that a motion like this would be brought before this body. You should be ashamed of yourself. We cannot pass legistation that would effectively tell people who they may love. When we speak of intercourse in most cases it is something shared between two beings who love each other and wish to share that special moment, a moment that is between them and does not concern anyone else, certainly not Senators. We are not here to pass rules like this. Affairs of the heart and bedroom are not affairs we should concern ourselves with. Do we not have something better to discuss? I must vote against this motion. Ja'nar Cerra
Garos
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 2010, 5:16 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I agree with Senator Cerra. This is not the Empire—we do not persecute individuals because of their species, or because of the species they love. I also believe that your science on this matter, Senator, is very flawed. Some species cannot produce children with each other, biologically, but to suggest that a union of the two would cause diseases "in most cases" is ignorant. Also, even if birth defects were common to these sorts of relationships, it's a question of educating beings about this, not penalizing them. I vote against.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 27 Jan 2010, 0:35 AM | Message # 4 |
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| While it is true that many things can cause birth defects, if some specific conduct is known to cause preventable birth defects, I feel it is in the New Republic's interest to prohibit that conduct. I believe, also, that Senator Oswaldt is correct that the breeding of similar, but distinct species results, often, in such defects. It is not necessarily as frivolous as the Senator from Garos suggests, since the expense of medical care for "defective" children is an expense which is often billed to the taxpayer. That said, although I am sympathetic to this measure I do not feel that I can vote in favor. It seems like an issue that is best addressed by specific worlds and specific species, rather than the Senate. Also, I suspect that mandatory sterlizations will not be supported in the courts.
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Friday, 29 Jan 2010, 6:19 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I apologize, but I strongly oppose this. I vote against this ridiculous bill that Governor Oswaldt has proposed. While sexual intercourse among different species do happen, I do not believe the birth defects contribute to that. If there's indeed birth defects, there must be other factors contributing to a such thing. The intercourse among different species may sound strange, we should not stop them from doing so. If they want to do a such thing, they should be allowed to do so. Like Senator Cerra has basically said, we cannot tell people who to love. They must choose for themselves. That is the reason why Democracy exists nowadays. Perhaps you, Governor Oswaldt, has forgetten that this is not the Galactic Empire. This is the New Republic, and our beliefs lies in freedom of choosing among other things. Please do this as a favor to the rest of us, do not propose any more of those ridiculous bills that the formerly galactic power aka Galactic Empire would gladly embrace. Tremaine Fowlkes,
Senator of Mowgle
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Friday, 29 Jan 2010, 1:19 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I'm not proposing "telling people who to love." I'm proposing telling people who not to love. With regard to Senator Vanden, I concede that instances of infectious disease have not yet been scientifically demonstrated as thoroughly as I would like. However, it is a fact that the mating of genetically similar species—Humans and Zeltrons, for example, or Neimoidians and Duros—will likely cause congenital birth defects and disorders, just as the mating of cousins would. It is called inbreeding, for these species are "cousins" to each other, in a sense. Senator Fowlkes, do not lecture me. The Empire also stood for freedom.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Friday, 29 Jan 2010, 2:09 PM | Message # 7 |
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| If I may speak frankly, and I apologize if what I am about to say is going to offend you but...you must truly be insane if you believe that the Empire stood for freedom. Have you forget that Emperor Palpatine was a Dark Lord of the Sith? Have you forget that he had the Empire slaughter several Jedi Knights from the Old Jedi Order? Have you forget that the Empire support policies and discrimination against those who aren't humans? The Empire may have stood for security and peace, but they did not stood for freedom. The Empire had enslaved several non-human species on several worlds. The Imperials had severely limited sentient rights among several atrocities the Empire have committed. That isn't democracy. That is dictatorship. Don't go telling around that the Empire stood for freedom. It was the Rebel Alliance that did the hardest thing: restore freedom.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Friday, 29 Jan 2010, 2:50 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Why, Senator, I believe you're persecuting my beliefs. This is quite Imperial of you, wouldn't you say? The fact remains, the Empire did stand for freedom. It stood for freedom from chaos, from uncertainty, from disorder. Sometimes the freedom of some must be limited to provide for the freedom of others. Politics, Senator, is the process of deciding whose freedom is valued over whose. This measure, for example, proposes that the freedom of a child to be born without congenital birth defects is more important than the freedom of its parents to be sexually promiscuous with other species. If you wish to argue that the Rebel Alliance stood for the freedom to "do what you want," then you are arguing that the Rebel Alliance stood for chaos. I agree, it did. Conversely, the Empire did the responsible thing and made difficult decisions about how to bring about the greatest good for the greatest number. Now that the New Republic is in power, it must do the same.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Friday, 29 Jan 2010, 5:23 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Birth defects can happen because of many different reasons. Not all cases of interspeices breeding will create 'defective' children. If the point of this was to keep that universe free from defective children I suggest that we inprision and sterlize anyone who may have a genetic diseases in their family history no matter if they are breeding within their own spieces or not. Why not turn this into a Sith hunt?
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Friday, 29 Jan 2010, 6:03 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I also vote against this ridiculous proposal put forth by Senator Oswaldt. I tend to agree with the other senators so far that have voiced their opinions. Senator, you can have your beliefs and no one here will persecute you for them, so perhaps you should give that same consideration to others when you propose such nonsensical bans. What is next?
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Friday, 29 Jan 2010, 10:02 PM | Message # 11 |
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| This measure has no votes in favor, and unless the Chief of State suspects that it has any chance of passing then I move that he close the discussion. I think the people of the New Republic will find it unseemly that the Senate is debating issues like this which, with respect, the galaxy put behind it a decades ago.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Sunday, 31 Jan 2010, 9:11 AM | Message # 12 |
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| “Freedom is much like art, as they say, ‘in the eye of the beholder’. Mr. Oswaldt is quite correct in stating that the Empire conveyed freedom for so it did. Those who conformed to its twisted sense of justice were indeed free from the persecution of authority. We too carry the same obligations; those who are not conformed to the laws of the Republic are free to do so, until they are brought to justice. Justice, though, is also in the eye of the beholder. “However this particular law does seem a touch out of the character of the Republic, by which I mean it grossly undercuts the freedoms (that is freedoms that we hold dear) of our sentients. Ere long we will have banned being Duros, or Neomodian, or Jedi. Or perhaps we will ban the belief of the Skakoans or the Keshiri. “This bill has no place within these wall, it is a further disgrace to the Senate to discuss things that, as Senator Vanden has stated, was ‘put behind [us] decades ago. This Republic was founded on Civil Liberties granted to all beings, by those of us who desired such. “I vote AGAINST this measure and request that it be removed from litigation.”
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Sunday, 31 Jan 2010, 9:23 AM | Message # 13 |
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| I find this legislation offensive and insulting.I would like to remind Senator Oswaldt, that this is not the Empire, this is the New Republic. We believe in freedom, true freedom not the perverted and twisted sense of freedom you believe the Empire gave the galaxy. We believe in civil liberties, as Senator Carson has mentioned. We believe the beings have the right to make the choice who they love or don't love. And while you do bring up an issue, in that I believe that education on the results of interspecies relationships needs to be taught to our citizens, and more importantly our youth. Despite that one positive in this, I vote Against this legislation.
General Cul'utaan'forte
Forte's Legion
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