The REAL second request
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Rath-Deschain | Date: Tuesday, 24 Mar 2009, 7:15 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Ok, this is the actual request I should have made because it comes in the correct order. To Management, I most humbly request: Geonosis. Preferably, I'd like the Geonosians that come with it, cause that would make life easier. Yes, it is a large request (perhaps larger than most fleet requests) but here are the reasons and possible flaws: 1) Geonosis is and has been an isolated planet with (as far as I can find) no space fleet or long-range communicators for getting ahold of the New Republic or any real help for that matter. In this regard, if 'peaceful negotiations' didn't work out, it would be easy enough to either a) kill any dissenters who aren't greedy enough to buy into Novak's plans or b) threaten invasion via the fleet under Novak's control. 2) The addition of Geonosis (if granted to me) would provide a basis for the plotline I would like to advance, which in part would require some Senatorial access and (if said Senatorial access was granted because, well, someone needs to represent Geonosis) allow the acquisition of weaponry by both New Republic and Remnant forces, causing a side-plot of its own. 3) Geonosis is basically the major stepping-stone I would need to advance this plot. To be frank, I think it would be different and interesting to take Novak along the path I have in mind as opposed to what most darksiders do (not smack-talking anyone here, by the way). Please consider this request. I have all my answers prepared.
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Havoc | Date: Tuesday, 24 Mar 2009, 6:07 PM | Message # 2 |
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| 1. No. 2. No. 3. What are you, nuts? Just kidding. The biggest thing about Geonosis is the major isolation policy it has in place. (note, sounds like a political debate now). Please explain exactly how Novak plans on getting them away from this, because while granted that Novak would just go in there and throw some crap around, I doubt that they would fear you, really. Every try to get one to crap their pants? Not easy work. And also, it's always been my personal thoughts that the Geonosians would laugh then take you seriously. So, if there was a requirement to RP taking the planet, would you be able to give us a DETAILED post? Ya, if you could explain this, the other managers can jump in. Thank you
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Rath-Deschain | Date: Tuesday, 24 Mar 2009, 6:44 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Yeah, I figured the isolationist policy would be the largest issue here. For starters, I did want to avoid threats of force against the Geonosians. That would actually hurt the cause Novak is trying to build. After doing some research, it seems that the Geonosians are actually susceptible to greed. Quoting from the wookieepedia page on Geonosians, "They instead used their droid foundries to build armies or large amounts of droids for corporate interests wealthy enough to afford them—entities such as the Trade Federation and the Techno Union." This, as well as "They were considered barbaric by other races and viewed brutal violence as entertainment. They enjoyed watching victims trying to survive in massive execution arenas while being attacked by savage predators." sets them alongside the Roman-style of things, at least in my mind (not actually being a Geonosian :P) If there's one thing that real life has shown me (not to mention countless examples in the SW universe), it's that greed can convince most people of damn near anything. If the aristocracy could be convinced that breaking their policy now that the Empire that had them enslaved was destroyed and that joining the New Republic would benefit their coffers in selling arms and droids to the N.R, then there's a chance it would sway them. Not to mention the whole persuasion via the Force option. If it came down to actual action, I am capable of giving detailed posts of battle orders and deployments if necessary. as I said, I'd rather not fight though.
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Havoc | Date: Wednesday, 25 Mar 2009, 5:46 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Well, we will keep that in mind if it deemed nessecary to take Geonosis by force. I hate to say it, but it looks like you may be forced into doing it, but I wouldn't hold my breathe just yet. I mean, from what I gather, Geonosis wants nothing more to do with the galaxy. While they may be up for some money, I think you hurt yourself when you mention them being barbaric. I mean, when I think of barbarian, I think of dim-witted people that don't care what is said, or how it is done. As long as it's done their way, they wouldn't care less. Now as for greed... real life is real life, really. RP and Rl are two different factors, though they both have a lot of smiliarities. Though, as far as we know, we are human. The SW universe has millions and millions of other creatures that are alike us and really different. Greed to one means greed to another. Sure they may sell off their droids, but I think only because it's not in their hands anymore. Sure you could attempt to get them break their policy, but I happen to think Geonosis as a Star Wars North Korea. Very strong isolationism policy, plus after what their people suffered through, I doubt that they would trust ANYBODY outside their own ranks... thus where the greed and barbaric attitudes come into play.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 25 Mar 2009, 6:11 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Firstly, I don't disagree with most of what Ashikage has said. However I must vote to DENY the request for a number of important, and I think insurmountable factors that haven't been mentioned yet (and I will explain). Most important, is that Geonosis is mentioned to have an isolationist policy, and is listed as being affiliated with the New Republic. It's apparently, therefore, not a complete isolationist policy, but it does heavily imply that they would not, in fact, be represented in the Senate. It's possible they might have observer status, but even that is dubious. However, even if Geonosis is presumed to be an observing member of the New Republic (which, again, I am skeptical), my personal feeling is that after their last cohoot with a mysterious, human outsider with his own fleet, who also appealed to Geonosian greed, that they would be very reluctant and in fact unwilling to do so again. My instinct is that the Geonosians would more likely retreat to their own, insular culture, and concordantly—again, if they are represented in the Senate—would almost certainly be represented by a Geonosian, not an outsider, and would regard any of Novak's overtures with suspicion. This also complicates things for Novak though in terms of using force against the Geonosians, if they don't agree. Since the planet is listed as being already affiliated with the New Republic in some form, assaulting the planet would probably be generally seen as an assault on "a New Republic world." For all these reasons and complications, I don't think Geonosis is the way to go, and my vote stands. I realize this would be helpful to your plot (as we discussed in Messenger), and I'm reluctant to deny it for that reason, but as we also discussed there are alternative, if less colorful, planets that you could use instead. Jace Varitek
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Rath-Deschain | Date: Thursday, 26 Mar 2009, 5:02 AM | Message # 6 |
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| You have a point Jace. As such, I would like to offer the following alternatives for consideration: Colla IV Located in the Colla System in the Inner Rim, where worlds are afraid the New Republic is not strong enough to maintain power. Corlax 4 Druckenwell Located in the Druckenwell system, Mid Rim. These are just a few hopefuls.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 26 Mar 2009, 9:48 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I would say any one of those three would be perfectly fine, especially if you follow the "Zhyr model" of planetary development and incorporation into the New Republic (info and more info), which also involved a Sith gaining admittance to the Senate. But any methods you choose I'm sure will be fine, that's just one example. Do let us know which planet you end up choosing (though bear in mind that with Druckenwell's billions population, it might be harder to fool, though its rigid social order might moot the point). Anyway, looking forward to seeing how it goes. Jace Varitek
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Rath-Deschain | Date: Thursday, 26 Mar 2009, 4:04 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I'll admit Colla IV would be nice, specifically for the production of battle droids and tri-fighters (sue me, I'm a sucker for older-model stuff. :P), but I believe I'll go with Druckenwell due to the rigid social order. I leave the final choice up to you Jace, and the rest of management. Druckenwell is preferred though.
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Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 26 Mar 2009, 4:14 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I vote to APPROVE. Jace Varitek
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EchuuShinzon | Date: Thursday, 02 Apr 2009, 4:36 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I vote to APPROVE.
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Jory_Carson | Date: Thursday, 02 Apr 2009, 7:22 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Looks like my work here is done...oh wait. ( APPROVED )
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