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The Crimson Fleet
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| Augustus_Valerian | Date: Tuesday, 30 Jun 2009, 0:04 AM | Message # 1 |
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| I would like to request, the use of the following forces. They are the remnant of the forces under Carnor Jax's command, and nomadic with no allegience to any warlord, akin to Holt. Although they are currently gathered at Imperial Drydock IV, they won't be for long. In fact, their leaving will be my opening part of their story. Along with these forces, I would like to request a Imperial Sovereign Protector, four Royal Guard, as well as two Force Adepts be part of this accompanyment. Justification-the power and influence of Jax and, they aren't as good as those before them that have served the Empire, and reaching that level will be part of the story. This aspect of the force shouldn't change...and I couldn't see it really expanding, if at all, anytime soon. Without further to do, here we go... Fleet
2 Imperial II Star Destroyers
-Merciless
-Iron Fist
2 Imperial I Star Destroyers
-Bloodstripe
-Executioner
1 Victory II Star Destroyer
-Warlord
2 Lancer Frigates
-Reaper
-Angel of Death
2 DP20 Corellian Gunships
-Berserker
-Marauder Fighter Squadrons
Imperial II Star Destroyer Merciless
Shadow Squadron-TIE Defenders
Onyx Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Scythe Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Black Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Twilight Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Obsidian Squadron-Scimitar Assault Bombers
Tau Squadron-5 Gunboats
Kappa Squadron-3 Skipray Blastboats Imperial II Star Destroyer Iron Fist
Shadow Squadron-TIE Defenders
Eta Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Zeta Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Theta Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Iota Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Epsilon Squadron-Scimitar Assault Bombers
Gunho Squadron-5 Gunboats
Omicron Squadron-3 Skipray Blastboats Imperial I Star Destroyer Bloodstripe
Avenger Squadron-TIE Avengers
Xi Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Pi Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Phi Squadron-TIE Fighters
Chi Squadron-TIE Fighters
Psi Squadron-TIE Bombers
Mu Squadron-5 Missle Boats
Lambda Squadron-3 Skipray Blastboats Imperial I Star Destroyer Executioner
Storm Squadron-TIE Avengers
Delta Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Sigma Squadron-TIE Interceptors
Beta Squadron-TIE Fighters
Rho Squadron-TIE Fighters
Gamma Squadron-TIE Bombers
Nu Squadron-5 Missle Boats
Upsilon Squadron-3 Skipray Blastboats Victory II Star Destroyer Warlord
Alpha Squadron-TIE Fighters
Omega Squadron-TIE Fighters Surface Forces
Imperial II Star Destroyer Merciless
Stormtrooper Division
Assault Regiment
Special Operations Battalion
Commando Battalion
52 Shadow Stormtroopers Imperial II Star Destroyer Iron Fist
Stormtrooper Division
Assault Regiment
Special Operations Battalion
Commando Battalion
52 Shadow Stormtroopers Imperial I Star Destroyer Bloodstripe
Stormtrooper Division
Assault Regiment
Special Operations Battalion
Commando Battalion
52 Shadow Stormtroopers Imperial I Star Destroyer Executioner
Stormtrooper Division
Assault Regiment
Special Operations Battalion
Commando Battalion
52 Shadow Stormtroopers Victory II Star Destroyer Warlord
1600 Storm Commandos Lancer Frigate Reaper
40 Imperial Navy Troopers (outfitted with Imperial Saboteur package for combat) Lancer Frigate Angel of Death
40 Imperial Navy Troopers (outfitted with Imperial Saboteur package for combat) Although not something to be requested, but I'd like to point out that all ships will have a crimson bloodstripe painted on them in this fashion.
Captain Augustus Valerian
Star Destroyer Vanguard
Message edited by MalcolmCross - Tuesday, 30 Jun 2009, 0:16 AM |
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Tuesday, 30 Jun 2009, 6:08 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Anyone remember the days when people requested one Imperial Mark I Star destroyer, then requested three of the six standard squadrons...all to be RPed out in some elaborate fasion that included half the entire group? This is going to take a load of disecting, please bear with Management during the process.
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Wednesday, 15 Jul 2009, 5:37 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Motion to APPROVE 2 Imperial II Star Destroyers
-Merciless
-Iron Fist
2 Imperial I Star Destroyers
-Bloodstripe
-Executioner
1 Victory II Star Destroyer
-Warlord
2 Lancer Frigates
-Reaper
-Angel of Death
2 DP20 Corellian Gunships
-Berserker
-Marauder
with full compliments of ground forces and Fighters However, (to Jace) are we doing gunboats and missle boats? Anf finally, I think that Managememtn has made a point of trying to keep Skiprays at a minimum.
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| Augustus_Valerian | Date: Wednesday, 15 Jul 2009, 10:35 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Assault Gunboats, Missle Boats, and Skipray Blastboats are part of the standard fighter compliment of Imperial-class Star Destroyers. I just included them in the listing more so, for organizational sake. On the fighter section, it's really more related to the slight deviation within the core fighters from standard compliment.
Captain Augustus Valerian
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Message edited by MalcolmCross - Wednesday, 15 Jul 2009, 10:36 PM |
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 15 Jul 2009, 11:00 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I was actually at a loss for this request for some time, until Jory's first post on this thread inspired my thinking on it. And since Holt has been mentioned, it occurs to me that Holt began with, I believe, 3 ships (including support ships). Novak also began with few vessels (4 in his case, 2 of them support ships). In both cases, the rule of thumb has been that a character of this sort should start with a few ships, then, over the course of the RP, acquire more. Both Holt and Novak certainly went to great lengths to acquire their ships, and in both cases I think the RP generally was enriched by the activity and the plots that resulted. And I think our policy should be to reward players who put the effort into it. Thus, in this case I don't think I'll be comfortable approving more than 4 ships, maximum, as a first request for your character (that is, 2 capital ships and 2 support ships). Also, I agree with Mt. that Skipray Blastboats should not be approved, since there's been a concerted effort of late to keep them out of the RP in any significant numbers. As for "Gunboats" and "Missile Boats," I'm not familiar enough with them, or how common they are as ship complements; I'll have to look into this. However, I do vote categorically to DENY all TIE Avengers, TIE Defenders, and Scimitar Assault Bombers. This is a "slight deviation" from the standard complement in the sense that being dead is a "slight deviation" from being alive, or that night is a "slight deviation" from day. I also feel that every ship should have at least some amount of standard TIE Fighters, rather than exclusively "specialty" fighters or interceptors. I think we've mentioned this to you before, in previous requests. Also, as mentioned before (many times now), I think Mt. and I would both be appreciative if you did not request so much all at once, as it's rather a headache to have to look into it all. As the request is written, I don't know how many troops you're referring to with "Divisions," "Regiments," and "Battalions." Likewise, "Special Operations" and "Commandos" are very unspecific. Please phrase your request in the form of specific troop numbers, and troop types (links to sources, i.e. Wookieepedia, are appreciated). There are also far too many Shadow Stormtroopers; they should never be used as standard complements. According to Wookieepedia, "a squad of shadow stormtroopers formed a bodyguard" for Carnor Jax. I don't think I need to point out that "a squad" is 12 men; also, Kir Kanos killed all of them. So I don't really see a convincing justification for why Cross should have any. I think the only thing I'm comfortable approving without any modification is the bloodstripe. Jace Varitek
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 15 Jul 2009, 11:02 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Also, is the Imperial Remnant faction that you already run not sufficient? Jace Varitek
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| Augustus_Valerian | Date: Wednesday, 15 Jul 2009, 11:31 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Stone cold reality, you say standard ISD fighter compliment...it'll include Skiprays, Gunboats, and Missle Boats. So unless you want to alter Canon stated fighter compliments, there going to be around. And, I believe the "Starfighter-Capital Ship hybrid" phrase is being blown a bit out of proportion. Yes, it is an impressive ship...yes, it has a weapons system comparable to some ancient warships. But in reality, it is just a jacked up assault fighter. I don't think the fit should be made over them that has been made, especially when they are part of a canon starfighter compliment. I will give you the statement that it should be preferably worked for, and will drop it down to two ISD-IIs and Lancer Frigates. I'll even accept the mandate to use fully standard fighter compliments, but will RP out aquiring the more advanced craft. As for the ground compliments, essentially...the ISDs have a passenger slot, which Cross has converted into further troop space. A Stormtrooper division is 9,700 Stormtroopers. The others, I can get here too. As for Special Operations and Commandos, they are exactly what their name suggests...it really isn't a massive, smoke and mirrors thing. Although I did make a mistake and it should be Special Missions, not Special Operations. Assault Regiment-2,545 Imperial Army Troopers
Special Missions Battalion-544 Imperial Special Missions Troopers
Commando Battalion-662 Imperial Officer Commandos Commandos, are what their name suggests. An elite group of Imperial Officers, of great physical fitness and mental ability (In other words, Imperial Special Forces). Still a rather large group, even in this time period. Special Missions, although given a fancy, slightly intimidating name, are nothing more than light infantry, comparable to the US Army's 10th Mountain Division or Rangers. As for the Blackhole Stormtroopers...I will drop that down to Stormtroopers outfitted as such, with some special training (just to make them more combat effective). As for the PA, this faction would be able to do somethings the PA essentially wouldn't. So, request stands as such... Imperial II Star Destroyer Merciless
Imperial II Star Destroyer Iron Fist
Lancer Frigate Reaper
Lancer Frigate Angel of Death
Captain Augustus Valerian
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 15 Jul 2009, 11:51 PM | Message # 8 |
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| From Wookieepedia: "[The Skipray Blastboat] was later sold primarily to the Empire; however, the Navy's tactical philosophy wasn't open to the idea of a hyperspace-capable capital-starfighter hybrid, and all but snubbed the ship," and "Those Imperial fleets that received Skiprays praised the ship, but the Skipray Blastboat ultimately gained its fame and reputation as a staple of corporate, mercenary, pirate, and smuggler fleets." Because the Star Destroyer's complement is stated to include Skipray Blastboats doesn't necessarily mean this is the standard complement (especially considering Wookieepedia says the complement is "a variable number of Skipray Blastboats"). The language in these quotes would seem to suggest that they are not, in fact, standard, and that few Star Destroyers were actually equipped with them. As for the Gunboats and Missile Boats, as I said I don't know enough about them, so I'll have to do more research (at a more reasonable hour, tomorrow). Thank you for revising and posting the other numbers. I'll look into them tomorrow also and get back to you. Jace Varitek
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Sunday, 19 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Jace has an unanswered question. I did state 'Full Compliment' but as I read it Jace is more correct; the language does imply more of an at need basis for the Blastboats. That, however, is not the real issue here. As in most RPs some concession must be made to the rules which are designed to promote fair and realistic play. That said, sometimes it becomes necessary to remove or modify certain Canon elements in order to ensure that this remains so. This is all I will say on this matter until Jace's earlier concerns are addressed.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 26 Jul 2009, 9:57 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Thank you, again, for reducing and clarifying the numbers. I'll vote to APPROVE your revised fleet composition, provided that one of the ISD's is, in fact, an ISD I rather than 2 ISD II's. I'll also APPROVE of, perhaps, 2 or 3 Skipray Blastboats because Carnor Jax was known to make use of them, however I am firmly against the Missile Boats (which, as Wookieepedia states, were removed from the starfleet and "were not seen in use after 4 ABY"; this is not specifically why I'm against them, mind you, but rather because they're ludicrously overpowered, far more so than a Skipray). The rest of your troop numbers seem suitable, and thank you for the explanation of Malcolm's renovations. Would these revisions be acceptable? It's basically what you're already requesting, except minus the Missile Boats and swapping an ISD II for an ISD I (which, by the way, should give you a lot more flexibility in terms of point defense; since those Lancers can't be everywhere). Jace Varitek
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