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Tiberius_AureliusDate: Thursday, 16 Jul 2009, 11:16 PM | Message # 1
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Alright, I was told to be on the safe side, that this part of Park's history should be requested, now that it's relevant.

During the year before Endor, he would have been trained in use of a Lightsaber, as well as basic Force Powers. Since then, he would in his personal time work on these lessons, expanding them, advancing them, etc. About a month before Celise popped up on Deralia, he would have found a holocron left by Revan for his descendants within Raven's Gate, as well as the holocrons of a few other Deralian Jedi, and through these Holocrons, from then until now, has learned further Force powers, and through the help of the monks and local tirbals, increased his power proficiency greatly. He's excellent on a Lightsaber, as well as the Force Powers related to Lightsaber Combat, and ones with direct combat application. However, others...not so much. Pretty much it sums up like this.

Expert
Lightsaber Combat
Force Push
Force Speed
Force Enlightenment
Telekinesis
Force Reflex

Proficient
Force Choke
Force Body
Control Pain
Force Immunity
Force Jump
Breath Control

Usuable, but not well...
Force Absorb
Battle Meditation
Battlemind
Comprehend Speech
Force Comprehension
Force Crush
Force Deflection
Detoxify Poison
Hibernation Trance
Force Lightning
Malacia
Morichro
Precognition



Colonel Tiberius "Nightwolf" Aurelius
Imperial Navy Starfighter Corps
Prince of Deralia

" Without blood, without tears... there is no glory, there is no honor."


Message edited by JaronPark - Thursday, 16 Jul 2009, 11:21 PM
 
Jace_VaritekDate: Friday, 17 Jul 2009, 1:19 PM | Message # 2
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Bear with me on this, because my reasoning may be a bit circuitous (as it tends to be, at times).

I'll dispense with the simplest part first; the basic training with a lightsaber and Force powers that, you say, would have occurred before Endor. I think you probably meant to say also, as you told me in Messenger last night, that Palpatine was the one who would have given Jaron this instruction. However, no association between Jaron and Palpatine was ever actually requested, nor would have been approved if it had been requested (this includes the "shadow Grand Admiral" rank). When the Coruscant Journal published its skepticism about Park's rank, and his association with Palpatine, it was also, in effect, a clarification that as far as management was concerned, neither of those actually occurred because they weren't requested.

The same applies here, so I vote to DENY the lightsaber instruction, or any sort of association between Jaron and Palpatine. It's just too farfetched, and unnecessary (and also, it wouldn't make sense for Jaron to have been unaware of his Force potential all these years, if Palpatine had already taught him how to use a lightsaber and basic Force powers; at least that was my understanding, that he's been unaware of it? Either way, I vote to deny).

Now, the complicated part: Revan's holocron.

One thing seems rather certain about Revan, from the information and dialogue that we have from Knights of the Old Republic; that Deralia is not, in fact, his real homeworld. When his memories were "replaced" by the Jedi (or "reprogrammed," or "brainwashed," or whatever term you prefer), clearly Deralia was a cover, a place he was meant to believe was his homeworld, to give him an anonymous background. My theory, actually, is that Deralia doesn't exist, but of course that's not reasonable for AGW now so I digress. So! With Deralia's history and culture, according to Jaron, now being so heavily invested in Revan, it becomes necessary to clarify (or rather, reconstruct as probably as we can) what his role on Deralia actually would have been, and not have been.

We seem to know, or at least, I'm told that Revan eventually regained his original memories, and thus would have remembered that Deralia is not, in fact, his homeworld. However, this doesn't mean that he didn't travel there prior to that, assuming it's his homeworld, and even possibly had children there. As long as all that background is kept vague, "lost to the annals of history," then I don't think any of Deralia's history or culture, as written by Jaron, needs to be changed. But, under the circumstances, given the ambiguity involved and the fact that Deralia was not actually his homeworld, I would prefer and insist that Revan himself not have much actual involvement on the planet. That is, it is not his final resting place, and he did not leave documents or holocrons behind for his descendants. This is, in my opinion, an unreasonable extrapolation from the canon.

I believe the same could be said for "Deralian Jedi." I don't see Jedi (at least, not plural) hailing from Deralia in any significant numbers. I don't think a planet that is remote, insignificant, and little known, with only one sentence about it on Wookieepedia, should have that sort of prominence. Perhaps a Jedi Knight or two, unrelated, throughout history, might have come from Deralia, but again I am doubtful of holocrons and would vote to DENY both theirs, or Revan's.

However.

There are other ways that Jaron could have come into possession of a holocron. After all, at one point the NIO spanned over a dozen or so worlds, and it's not unreasonable to assume that one of them might have a holocron somewhere on them, to be discovered. Park also could have used his considerable influence, and personnel, to seek out holocrons elsewhere in the galaxy, either to find or purchase one. If you have a paragraph in one of your posts, retconning something to this effect (that is, a brief backstory of where and how Park had acquired a holocron), then I would be fine with that. Also, I suspect a lot of rudimentary Jedi teachings are probably available, summarized, on the holonet. Park could use this to his advantage as well.

So, now that all of this has been covered, we come to the Force powers. Having said everything above, and since Park was self taught, I absolutely don't imagine him being as proficient as you've suggested, and certainly nowhere near the skill level of a Jedi Master, as your profile says. All things considered, my votes on Jaron's Force proficiency are as follows:

I vote to APPROVE:
• Lightsaber Combat (rudimentary, cannot deflect blasters in combat)
• Force Push
• Force Speed (rudimentary)
• Telekinesis (rudimentary)
• Force Reflex (poor, 10 second duration or less)
• Force Body (poor, 10 second duration or less)
• Force Jump (very poor, akin to "level one" in Jedi Knight II and Jedi Academy games)
• Force Absorb (very poor, perhaps one use per fight with considerable effort)
• Precognition (basic)

I vote to DENY:
• Force Enlightenment
• Force Choke
• Control Pain
• Force Immunity
• Breath Control
• Battle Meditation
• Battlemind
• Comprehend Speech
• Force Comprehension
• Force Crush
• Force Deflection
• Detoxify Poison
• Hibernation Trance
• Force Lightning (never, ever)
• Malacia
• Morichro

Yes, I'm denying a lot, but realize that you're requesting a lot; more than seasoned, life long Jedi Masters would have been able to achieve, let alone someone who just trained himself for two months. Not to mention, there's no one else in the RP with that sort of array of Force proficiency.

And, just to restate for the purpose of summarizing this post for Mt., I've also voted to DENY:
• Revan's holocron, and other Jedi holocrons
• Lightsaber and Force instruction by Palpatine

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Jory_CarsonDate: Sunday, 19 Jul 2009, 11:36 PM | Message # 3
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Alrighty then…here we go.

I am afraid that I am going to agree with Jace on a fair few point, just not for the same reasoning; I’ll try to keep this short.

Park is not going to train himself to the level of a Master in so short a time.

I hate Holocrons and the thought that anyone can ‘find’ one and become a self taught Jedi in under a month…reminds me of some bizarre infomercial:

Do your friends make fun of you for not being Force Proficient? Want to become a Jedi in three easy steps? All you need in right here in this handy-dandy Holocron and it’s yours for only four installments of $39.99. Not satisfied, we’ll throw in another one for no additional charge, and what’s more, it comes with Darkside teachings!
Your friends will be wowed by your sudden turnabout, everyone will be talking about how your the newest bad$^@ in town. You’ll never have to feel underappreciated or intimidated again. And if you call now, we even toss in a newly fabricated light saber with dual triple length blades just right for cleaving off your enemies heads.
Still not convinced? Call within the next ten minutes and we’ll add to your value pack even more. At a value of over 13,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 credits (New Republic only) we’ll throw in eighteen worlds, ninety-seven warships, twelve billion troops, sixteen million star fighters, and a bottle of Corellian whiskey.

Ok, sorry, had to get that one out.

I will never be convinced, whether it happened ‘canonically’ or not, that a lightsider can use Lightening.

I have always been of the personal belief that one should request two or at most three ‘powers’ to Master.

Why not start like anyone else would and learn as you go, after all, it increases RP and that is what RP is all about.

That said I am going to agree with Jace’s list and advice

 
Jace_VaritekDate: Sunday, 19 Jul 2009, 11:42 PM | Message # 4
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"HI!!! BILLY MAYS HERE for HOLOCRONS!!"

(awesome).

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Jace_VaritekDate: Monday, 20 Jul 2009, 0:09 AM | Message # 5
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(because I was bored, and I'm a Billy Mays fan; may he rest in peace).

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Jace_VaritekDate: Monday, 20 Jul 2009, 8:00 PM | Message # 6
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Alrighty, so it looks like the request, vis'a'vis my revisions to it, are APPROVED.

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