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| Pain | Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 2009, 0:44 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Recently, Jace and I had a talk about a few burn-out plots to be kept relatively short and sweet but to add a few elements into the play, mainly via expendable characters. As such, I'm requesting a rather odd grouping of what would be considered darksiders in a fashion. Only one would be a fully trained (albeit 'fallen' Jedi) with the other four being minor acolytes of a sort. The 'team' would be based off of several of the Cenobite images from Clive Barker's Hellraiser series. Keeping in some context of the film(s), none of the darksiders would be armed with lightsabers (which I think adds an interesting twist of sorts). As opposed to killing Jedi, the Republic, et cetera, this group is more concerned with winning converts in a form. Anyway, let me know the thoughts on this before I make the profile.
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| EchuuShinzon | Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 2009, 9:46 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Any structures or settlements? Any location to base your operations?
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| Pain | Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 2009, 1:41 PM | Message # 3 |
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| No specific structures or settlements at this time. I'm considering giving them a mobile base of operations in the form of a ship of some sort. Not sure what kind though.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 2009, 9:09 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Inappropriate/unauthorized comments have been deleted. Only management shall comment/discuss requests. If you have a personal issue with it, bring it up in private. This is the final warning on this issue.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 2009, 10:18 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Karath has convinced me that, indeed, comments from members should probably not be posted on the specific requests but, rather, on the OOC forum (I do, however, encourage players to dissent on requests that concern them; however, please do so respectfully). With regard to this specific request, I feel that it rather does concern all members because the importation of other genres—in this case, an 80's horror film—compromises the integrity of an RP that is based on Star Wars, not on Hellraiser. To put it another way, speaking only for myself as a member and not a manager; I haven't consented to be in a Hellraiser RP, and I think bringing plot elements from another genre into a Star Wars RP is unfair to me because if I did want to be in a Hellraiser RP presumably I could find or make one. Whenever people in the past have played reproductions of characters from Sin City or Daredevil or, yes, even X-Men, I feel disrespected as a player who is putting my effort into developing original characters within a certain genre—Star Wars—not those other genres. So, again, as a manager I must ask comments on request be kept respectful and be made on the OOC forum if necessary (this contradicts what I told Jamie and Havoc earlier, so I apologize to them for being inconsistent). As a member, however, I understand the frustrations that they expressed here and I don't disagree with them. I suppose all of this could be phrased more simply, and succinctly, by stating that the evocation of other genres should not occur in AGW. This is what I believe and this is why, with respect, I vote to DENY the request. However, understand that I do appreciate you making the effort to adapt this to Star Wars, and I also appreciate your patience because I know I've been kind of a curmudgeon on quite a few of your requests of late. You are a very creative writer, however, and I think your existing characters are far superior to anything borrowed from another genre. Jace Varitek
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 2009, 10:27 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Also, Rule 1(I.) requires original characters only (with some exceptions allowed for Star Wars canon characters). Clearly, as you've said, this one is based on Hellraiser. Jace Varitek
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| Pain | Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 2009, 5:10 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I understand somewhat the comment of compromising the integrity of the RP. However, there were a few points I wanted to bring up in defense. Following in accordance with Rule 1, the characters are actually quite original. The only real Hellraiser reference is the images of the characters themselves (and their choice of weapons). I mean, consider that in a galaxy full of beings, there aren't really any mentioned that are truly psychologically twisted. I mean, every darksider (even my own in some cases) are sort of cardboard cutouts: the same villianous, lightsaber-wielding baddies with an agenda for more power, conquest or something of material or Force-related nature. These characters were meant to be a change from that. If the management has a problem with it, or if the players have too many objections, I will remove the request and attempt a different idea.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 24 Dec 2009, 2:57 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I appreciate what you're attempting to do, in terms of introducing a new sort of antagonist, but this can be done in ways that don't involve the movie Hellraiser; insanity can manifest itself in a lot of ways, and I think sticking pins in one's head is not one of the more common ones. Jace Varitek
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| Pain | Date: Saturday, 26 Dec 2009, 2:35 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Ok, compromise: what if the leader is the only image I use from Hellraiser?
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 26 Dec 2009, 10:42 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I've spoken my peace on the request, I think, and I don't want to be redundant because I fear that I would appear disrespectful if I did so. Suffice to say, for the reasons I've stated and discussed with Echuu, my vote stands. Jace Varitek
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Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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| EchuuShinzon | Date: Monday, 28 Dec 2009, 9:14 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Discussed is putting it lightly. We ended up in a nearly hour long debate over this topic--drawing on a conclusion that is (at least in my opinion) a slippery situation. Needless to say, as best as we could conclude, drawing upon separate franchises (herein referred to as themes) should only be used to validate materials required for the functioning of organizations and characters within the Star Wars (more specifically a galaxy at war) universe. That being said, the Hellraiser franchise is singularly the only theme whereby people stick nails in their head, which (as Jace so eloquently put it) is not what this RP is about, nor why people are here. For instance, it would be appropriate for myself to post an image of the Master Chief (Halo) and state that this is the standard uniform of the IMC soldiers (albeit that itself might by a bit slippery considering that I could have elected a franchise more obscure to best represent the IMC's forces). Inappropriate, would be a request by myself stating that I want to create a superhuman program where my troopers are capable of regeneration, better than normal aim, and named Spartans, as well as using the image... That, would be juxtaposing another theme unto the Star Wars Theme. So after a grueling debate, I have to agree with Jace. Perhaps it is best that Hellraiser remained out of AGW.
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