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A Better Lightfoil
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| greenblade | Date: Thursday, 25 Feb 2010, 5:13 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Wiki on Lightfoils I want to have Tes'dra create a lightfoil that is on par with a lightsaber in terms of quality and in comparison to the lightfoils currently in use by Tapani nobles, etc. By this I specify that I want it to be able to parry blaster bolts (however, it is a much thinner blade than a lightsaber, so..not really for that anyways, woo Makashi) and I want it to be superior to the lesser quality lightfoils now in use, in that a regular lightfoil fails after 1 connect with Tes'dra's lightfoil, meaning that the second time someone wielding a regular lightfoil tries to parry Tes's lightfoil, 'zap' their lightfoil will fail trying to counter the energy from the lightsaber quality lightfoil. Basically I want him to have a lightsaber hidden in plain sight as a lightfoil.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Thursday, 25 Feb 2010, 9:02 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Seeing as they once were on par with a lightsaber, albeit requiring its constructor to be Force Sensitive, I have no problem with this. However, this Lightfoil would require special knowledge, apparently known to the Mecrosa Order. And while it wouldn't be a stretch for one able to build a Lightsaber to be able to do this as well, I'm assuming there are unique elements to its construction that void it being a Lightsaber with a Lightfoil handle, rather than being a Lightfoil equal to a Lightsaber. On the condition that some form of RP is made to aquire the specific knowledge and construct this unique weapon, I Approve
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 27 Feb 2010, 3:04 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I have some commentary on this, but it's gotten crazy late this evening/morning so I think I need to put in a few hours of sleep before I can articulate myself cogently. I'll be back to posting in a few hours though. Sorry about the delay!
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 27 Feb 2010, 9:46 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Sorry about that. The request for what is essentially a lightsaber disguised as a lightfoil, as far as I'm concerned, is fine. The physics, however, of an inferior lightfoil "failing" after contact with this superior design somewhat confuse me. By "fail," I'm assuming you mean it would be overwhelmed and shut down, essentially. But do we know that this is what would occur? I'm inclined to think that either A.) the beams would just sail through each other without effect, or B.) a lightsaber, or lightfoil for that matter, has a certain energy threshold it must reach to have, for all intents and purposes, "solid" properties. Assuming both the lightsaber and lightfoil have crossed this threshold, it seems possible to me that one being more powerful than another wouldn't make much difference against another blade, but rather only against other materials, objects, people, etc. I admit the science of this is beyond me and, I assume, beyond most people since the lightsaber isn't a technology that can actually, feasibly exist. But as far as shutting down an opponent's weapon is concerned, I'd be more comfortable seeing a precedent for it in the canon before it's approved. Forgive me, also, if there is one that I've missed. I try to be diligent about these things.
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| greenblade | Date: Sunday, 28 Feb 2010, 5:29 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I'll research that portion of the request a bit more in depth and resubmit that part, but is the lightsaber disguised as a lightfoil alright?
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 28 Feb 2010, 6:19 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Indeed, I APPROVE of the premise. I'll do some more research also and see if I can't come up with something as well. In the meantime though, it seems there's no objection to the lightsaber disguised as a lightfoil. I like the idea, in fact.
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| greenblade | Date: Monday, 01 Mar 2010, 9:49 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I was thinking about this, and I don't have like 'science' to put behind it, but I did watch that show where the scientist recreates sci fi technology, and guess what he made! A lightsaber, or well, the theory at least. So here's what I was thinking, there has to be some component of the weapon that makes it 'solid' or at least tangible, right? Else it'd be like dueling with blow torches. The reason that non force sensitives have such a hard time with genuine lightsabers is that its a massless blade, unlike a conventional bladed weapon that has weight from both the hilt and the blade. So that makes me assume a few premises. 1) The lightfoils in use by non force sensitives must have some means of compensating for what would otherwise be a massless blade.
1a.) It must be something built into the design, because to assume that every Tapani noble that ever used a lightfoil safely trained with it enough to learn to compensate for the massless blade would be a bit much, considering that to many of them they were just toys, or at least their training wouldn't be near as comprehensive as a Jedi's would be. Example - Ulic Qel Droma was able to still use a lightsaber after losing the Force, but only because he had spent his whole life training with it. There has to be some mass component to a regular lightfoil. So with that presumption, is where the difference in lightsaber creation vs lightfoil creation could allow for a lightsaber that would cause a lightfoil to fail with repeated contact.
Quote The weapon consisted of a blade of pure plasma[1] energy emitted from the hilt and suspended in a force containment field. The field contained the immense heat of the plasma, protecting the wielder, and allowed the blade to keep its shape. A lightsaber is held together by a force containment field. ie, force field. Thats what makes it 'solid'. And that is done by the emitter matrix. I assume another premise based off of that. 1) The magnetic hold on the lightsaber beam had to be impervious to the heat generated by a lightsaber. Lightsabers are created by Force sensitives, who use their force attunement to craft the delicate workings of the lightsaber, including the emitter matrix. So what if the difference between a lightsaber and a lightfoil (of non force sensitive make) is in the quality of the magnetic field created by their respective emitter matrixes. Without the Force to enable a higher level of craftmanship, the regular lightfoil is created with an inferior emitter matrix hence an inferior magnetic field which can withstand the heat generated by your typical lightfoil, but not from a genuine lightsaber blade, creating this reaction. The first contact between the two nearly overheats the magnetic field of the lightfoil, and the second causes the magnetic field to fail - and as the magnetic field fails, the lightfoil loses containment of the blade which would cause a superheated burst of air in the immidiate vicinity of the blades, and the failure of the lightfoil. Toast, but because no damage has been done to anything tangible - (other than the generated magnetic field) the user can of course turn it back on a moment later, but in a duel with someone else, ie Tes'dra, you're likely to be missing a piece or two before you can turn it back on. Makes pretty decent sense to me. What do you think? And to get back to what gives a lightfoil enough mass in the blade for a non force sensitive to use would be again, the magnetic field generated by the inferior emitter matrix. This may seem a bit sketchy, and perhaps stretching it, but because of the inferior magnetic field, which would cause the plasma particles of the blade to be a lower temperature, it might be a 'heavier' magnetic field of plasma, in a sense, it slows down the rapid electron movement of the plasma to give it just enough mass to make it tangible to the wielder?
Tes'dra Nintra
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 02 Mar 2010, 2:17 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I'm not sure the conclusion necessarily follows, but because it might and because we want it to, I'm fine with that. I vote to APPROVE, especially since you've noted that the weapon being overpowered would only be temporary (albeit, as you said, not temporary enough against Tesdra, but that's fine). The only place where I'm apprehensive is the contention that a lightsaber has some quality that is designed to give its wielder a feeling of mass. Although this is practical, I've never understood this to be the case and, if possible, I'd prefer to leave the question unaddressed (either that, or cop out and say that some lightsabers have this and some don't). Very well thought out response though. Thank you for going into detail. It looks like you're good to go.
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| greenblade | Date: Wednesday, 03 Mar 2010, 3:16 AM | Message # 9 |
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| A lightsaber doesn't have a component that gives the blade any mass, which is why the Force is generally a prerequisite to successful use of a lightsaber. The mass issue comes up with non force sensitives using lightfoils, which are essentially lightsabers lite. A NFU with a lightfoil would presumably need years and years of familiarization and training with a massless lightfoil, or it would need mass to make it a more conventional bladed weapon.
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"Courage is the mastery of fear."
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 04 Mar 2010, 9:04 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Oh, in that case it's all good. Sorry I misread you.
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Tuesday, 09 Mar 2010, 6:20 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Having skimmed this...I see nothing of concern. With Karath and Jace voting I think I can formally ( APPROVE )
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