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Management List-Cale's Fleet
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| OrionKarath | Date: Friday, 30 Jul 2010, 9:35 PM | Message # 1 |
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| "Ebon Fist" Pirates
● (1) YV-775 freighter Swift *
● (4) Z-95 Headhunters *
● (5) R-41 Starchasers *
● (12) T-wing Starfighters *
● (1) Lambda-class shuttle Eavesdropper
● (1) DP20 Corellian Gunship Skylance *
● (1) Sentinel-class landing craft Nevermore
● (1) Bulk Cruiser Fat Boy * Seized from Baltimn
● (6) Razor Fighters * Drasek Cale's Personal Vessels
● (1) Luxery Yacht 5000 *
● (3) Kraken Fighters *
● (2) MRX-BR Pacifiers * An * means that these are ships that have been either listed or requested and approved. One that has popped up in the lists, that I can find no RPed aquirement or request of is the Lambda Shuttle. I'm also really iffy on the Sentinel, because this was the personal ship of a Sentinel, and I believe there wasnt any RP of it being recovered by the Ebon Fist. I'll be honest, in my opinion, for awhile your RP surrounding Cale is filled with rather shady actions, and to be frank, I'm tired of it, and I'm cracking down. Since we've allowed it so long, and it's unlikely to make it out of Cato Neimoidia, I'm fine with the Sentinel. The Lambda, seriously needs some sourcing or it is being revoked. I haven't listed them on here, but there's a few ships that you mentioned on Roon that need clarification and/or sourcing: the Modified YT-2000 Freighter, Mynock-class Assault Boat, and Starviper Attack Platform.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 31 Jul 2010, 1:01 AM | Message # 2 |
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| As I recall, Orion, he did RP the recovery of the Nevermore. However, the point is still taken that in the future, personal ships that are approved for one character should preferably not be passed to another character's or faction's fleet, especially when that fleet is already at the maximum number of ships that management intends for it to have. I'm not accusing you of anything though, Drasek, because I don't think you're setting out on purpose to circumvent the request process or anything. The Nevermore is cool, after all, and I wouldn't want to lose it either. But yes, please do account for the Lambda shuttle, the YT-2000, the Mynock-class assault boat, and the StarViper if you will. Orion and I have combed the old requests and can't seem to find these.
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| Rath-Deschain | Date: Saturday, 31 Jul 2010, 11:44 AM | Message # 3 |
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| the starviper you can find in drasek's profile as it was the original ship he'd owned prior to purchasing the yacht. the shuttle was from taris, property of lim hejin when the ebon fist were originally put together. when jared tallon, a.k.a. the mad doc was recruited into the ebon fist, he brought with him the mynock assault boat and the yt-2000 freighter, both having been listed since the time of his profile creation as personal craft, backstory within profile. i actually believe i have more than four z-95's. it was six total prior to one being destroyed at cato neimoidia so far.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Saturday, 31 Jul 2010, 12:30 PM | Message # 4 |
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| The Nevermore, I'll be fine with since it was RPed out. The Z-95s, my bad, I thought both of them were taken out at Cato Neimoidia. The StarViper...that's, to be honest with you, a kind of shady move to change your personal ships but without notice transfer your former ship over to your faction. If you look at some players, they either keep their personal craft seperate, or in many cases, pull their personal craft from within their own forces. Every Imperial and New Republic military character does so. It's called integrity, and to be honest, Jace obivously believes otherwise, but I myself do believe you are trying to circumvent the request process on purpose. To be honest, I don't want to revoke the StarViper right now, but will only do so if Jace agrees on the matter. Lim Hejin and Jared Tallon are NPCs. No profiles, no seperate accounts; those are NPCs, even if at times they have been RPed otherwise, they have always been ultimately connected to Cale. Those are NPCs and they can not randomly bring in their own ships without you requesting them. This is a blatant circumvention of the request process, and you can consider the Mynock, YT-2000, and Lambda revoked. Jace, the StarViper?
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| Rath-Deschain | Date: Saturday, 31 Jul 2010, 1:31 PM | Message # 5 |
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| cale's personal cft were never changed. he started out with the star viper. there was mention of it made when i requested the yacht, stating that cale only had a personal fighter and it was fitting to have a functional craft for meetings. as well, jared tallon is not an npc. i didn't play him much because the one time i tried to, he didn't fit in too well. i linked him with the fist because having a scientist-doctor who is also a serial killer seemed like a cool idea. as well, if you like, i can request the shuttle since it isn't actually a fighting vessel.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 01 Aug 2010, 10:43 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Bear with us on this, Drasek, because it's not a problem we've encountered before and there's no real provision for it in the rules. At the very least though, when management has said specifically that no further ships will be approved for the Ebon Fist, it's rather unseemly to have the Ebon Fist gain more ships by merit of them being the combined personal ships of other characters. I think it has to be stated—possibly in the rules, but here for now—that personal ships are for personal use, while ships approved for a fleet are for that fleet's use. Not both. While it is acceptable, as Orion points out, for characters to draw a personal ship from their fleet, it's not seemly to augment a fleet with personal ships, which are intended as personal ships and thus not requested. I'm sure everyone has to agree that's only fair. As for the Star Viper, whether it should be included I think I've already covered. But I have doubts as to whether it realistically could be, either. When Cale last left Baltimn, after all, he had no clue that he was going to become a wanted fugitive in his absense. Presumably the other personal ship that's publicly registered to him, the Star Viper, would be left behind in his private hangar. I can't imagine how it goes from there to the Ebon Fist. I think the Nevermore is okay, however, because the recovery of it was played out and Voss has been indisposed for quite some time. The Lambda is probably okay too, I feel, since it's been used a few times before and doesn't have much in the way of armament anyway. But in the future, I think it's fair to say that any ship that is added to a fleet should be requested or, if not requested, at least notified somewhere that management can be aware of it and have input if need be. You can see how it would be frustrating for management to keep track of the numbers when personal ships are coming and going from a fleet, especially when a character has more than one personal ship. With all of that said though, I have to disclaim that the numbers for Thesh's armada were meant to be roughly equal to the combined firepower of the Ebon Fist and the Lucian Alliance, since I assumed it would be a three way battle. Now that the Lucian Alliance is not participating (shrewdly), and now that I see that the Ebon Fist's numbers are rather smaller than I thought they were, I'm thinking that if Orion is okay with it we should offer a choice here; 1.) you can include the Mynock and the YT-2000 in this battle on the condition that they'll be destroyed during it, thus keeping the Ebon Fist at its approved level (this has been done before—at Deralia, Kruus was required to have his Assassin-class corvettes destroyed), or 2.) remove them from the battle and keep them as Tallon's personal ships, not to be used in conjunction with the Ebon Fist. I have to be sure Orion is okay with this, however. Sorry that we seem to be on your case constantly here, Drasek, but there is a case to be on.
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| Rath-Deschain | Date: Sunday, 01 Aug 2010, 10:53 AM | Message # 7 |
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| well, to be honest, i saw the fist losing a goodly number of vessels in this battle. they are pinned between the lucian alliance and a superior (in numbers) pirate fleet. i can't very well let tallon's vessels get destroyed offhand because that would be a loss to the research. being legitely destroyed is one thing, but with the losses incurred by the ebon fist (which are sure to occur) in the battle, the few personal vessels should cover any losses. as well, the starviper was with cale at null, which leaves bit hanging.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Monday, 02 Aug 2010, 10:57 PM | Message # 8 |
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| So am I right that these are the numbers at Roon? (1) YV-775 freighter Swift
(1) Lambda-class shuttle Eavesdropper
(1) DP20 Corellian Gunship Skylance
(1) Bulk Cruiser Fat Boy
(1) Modified PLY-5000 Luxury Yacht
(2) MRX-BR Pacifiers (12) T-wing Starfighters
(5) Z-95 Headhunters
(5) R-41 Starchasers
(6) Razor Fighters
(3) Kraken Fighters (white = registered publicly to Drasek Cale) If so, I have an idea in mind for how Thesh's armada can be reduced IC without them simply laying down and dying. I just want to make sure you have a fair chance.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Tuesday, 03 Aug 2010, 11:22 AM | Message # 9 |
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| (First mobile post ever! I think...) Just tn help out Jace, the Lambda and one of the Z-95s are at Cato Neimoidia.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 04 Aug 2010, 0:53 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Okay, so.. (1) YV-775 freighter Swift
(1) Mynock-class Assault Shuttle
(1) YT-2000 freighter
(1) DP20 Corellian Gunship Skylance
(1) Bulk Cruiser Fat Boy
(1) Modified PLY-5000 Luxury Yacht
(2) MRX-BR Pacifiers (12) T-wing Starfighters
(4) Z-95 Headhunters
(5) R-41 Starchasers
(6) Razor Fighters
(3) Kraken Fighters ... with the understanding that some of these are going to be destroyed in this battle, thus bringing the Ebon Fist's numbers down to acceptable levels. I think I have all that right, or at least right enough that we can continue the thread.
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| Rath-Deschain | Date: Sunday, 15 Aug 2010, 7:55 AM | Message # 11 |
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| I did note something just now, though perhaps it won't matter. The trio of Kraken fighters were purchased differently than the yacht and the pacifiers, so they wouldn't be publically registered, especially with the current ban on Ravak & Larben products.
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