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BairdDate: Tuesday, 10 May 2011, 9:42 PM | Message # 1
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Every time there's some posted on an imperial character I think ya'll are talking about me and to be honest... it freaks me out. I'm like >O!

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Sate_PestageDate: Tuesday, 10 May 2011, 10:28 PM | Message # 2
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Maybe we are! o_O. But seriously, I try to emphasize to Imperial characters that most members find encrypted messages, well, kind of obnoxious, and that they should preferably be used only when there's a compelling reason why OOC information could tip someone off to a covert operation, etc. It's not exactly a lack of trust, but, well.. yes, it is a lack of trust. But even so, once the need for secrecy is over, I encourage characters to post the key words so that others can decrypt the messages later if they are so inclined.

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Janar_CerraDate: Wednesday, 11 May 2011, 1:05 PM | Message # 3
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Except that I feel like I cannot trust people here and need to put it in the message itself like that, its more like an anti-drama declaration.

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Jamie_the_HuttDate: Wednesday, 11 May 2011, 2:24 PM | Message # 4
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Okay, I should preface this by saying this is just the thought that comes off the top of my head, and I do not mean it in a mean spirited way.

I feel like if you can't trust "people" here then perhaps you ought not to play? I think we have seen a few examples with Ja'nar RPing things as public events (collapsing outside bars etc) and then objecting or ignoring their mentions at later dates is not the way the RP works here.

We do have an aggressive political climate, We do have a media which picks things up.. perhaps if you don't feel up to the rough and tumble of politics you ought to consider roleplaying characters which are not public figures and so not prone to this rough and tumble. I know at many RPs *cough*Naboo*cough* it was thought of as appropriate for a Queen to be variously an alcoholic, drug addict, prostitute etc etc etc but I like to think this RP is one which is more grounded "reality" and if a Queen does so, then she will get called on it to her detriment. Some could say that this allows her to have a romantic scarlet letteresque shame about her, but if that is the case and the character is ashamed then perhaps they would avoid future involvement.

Either way, this is where I suspect any "lack of trust" comes from, and a solution for addressing it. And again my solution, try playing a less public character and you will get less public attention.

Or else give RPing at one of the various Gaia online/world of warcraft clones a go as they seem to be more forgiving of princesses wearing rather less fabric than found on a tea coup doily! But I should emphasise, Princess Leia was not a drug addled alcoholic bargirl.. don't you imagine the Imperial press would have loved if she was?

 
Ilanah_ThanatosDate: Wednesday, 11 May 2011, 4:22 PM | Message # 5
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Ya'll have a point (although Jamie's is generally on the top of his head), about the encrypted messages. Though I don't know about it being a trust thing. Seems to me that it's more of an OOC concern, as Sate sort of said. The point of the rp is fun though, right? And if one thinks they can't trust or worry about that kind of thing (whether ooc or ic), then there is a problem with that, I think.

Baird...they kinda freak me out too. Maybe they're (most likely) not talking about me (because they're talking about you wink ), but it still feels like it. Very cloak and dagger. Muahaha.


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OrionKarathDate: Wednesday, 11 May 2011, 10:38 PM | Message # 6
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If there is a "trust issue" then that is something that needs to be brought to management's attention, which to my knowledge, hasn't happened. Maybe while I was out of the team, and that was an issue that was forgotten to be brought up... but I am not aware of anyone bringing up any issues in that regard. Management here is very vigilant in watching for abuse of OOC information. Most of the time we catch it, sometimes we don't... and that's where you guys come in; tell us about it and we will investigate. Encrypted messages have been used in the past in situations in which the information contained would absolutely present an OOC motivated alteration within the events of the RP. Like Pestage said above.

There is concern within management however, concerning encrypted messages. Mainly, because people have begun using them for the most trivial matters. As said, it is encouraged to post the keyword following the lack of OOC risk. Using encryption just because one of your characters has brutal political opponents, isn't necessary. Management can step in, if needed. Frankly, although it could use a lot of polish, Jamie is correct in his message, Ja'nar. Please, don't take this the wrong way, but if you RP something happening, it happened. Especially in a public place. If Ja'nar goes out and gets drunk in a bar, people are going to know. One, she's a Queen; two, she's an Imperial Senator. Anything she does is going to be watched, and reported on, especially if one or more other Senators or notable individuals are involved as well. There have been issues in the past with players not wanting events of an RP that occurred in public being known or reported on, however... such is reality, and as management's stand was in the past, so is it now, that such things being known, are perfectly reasonable. We will not tell you how to RP your character, but do realize that actions have consequences, in RP just as they do in the real-world.

I understand wanting things to not be embarrassing for a character, but let's be frank; if the Queen of England was found bar-hopping through London (let alone any member of the royal family) it would be pasted on the front page of every major media outlet in existence, and be very awesome. However, some people, wouldn't find it awesome... like the people of England... or politicians, especially those opposed to either the current Royal family or the monarchy all together. And they would use such, or any number of other situations, to their advantage. That is the reality of the RP as well. While I am not familiar with some of the threads Jamie seems to be referencing (I'll be the first to admit that I, at times, do not read all of the RPs that occur, although I should and that is something I have been doing since re-joining Management), but Ja'nar... if you have a problem, you need to talk to us, not just disappear. You've gone from one of the most active members in the group, to making a post every two to three weeks at best, the latest being the post on this. I understand with finals being either occurring or near, you are extremely busy, but it does concern, as well as bother me, that there seems to be an issue that you have refused to voice to any of us. I'm sure it goes for the entirety of Management (including Jory if he's still alive), but it definately goes for me... my door is open at all times; you can ask many of our members. You should know this from personal experience.

It goes for any member. If anyone, and I mean anyone, has a problem with the group, the rules, the site, something within an RP, the RP itself, other members, members of management, management of a whole, myself... you can always approach me and will be received with open arms, ears, and mind. If there is a "trust issue" here, I want to know it... now. Please, Ja'nar, talk to me on MSN so we can sort this issue out. Okay, I'm off my soapbox... for now.


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General_AdennDate: Thursday, 12 May 2011, 5:09 AM | Message # 7
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Not sure I really see the problem here. All forms of highly classified or sensitive materials should be encrypted or otherwise blocked from the general knowledge of the group. I was always under the impression as an RP'er that such things were left to the discretion of the writer[s]. Not to anyone who may or may not have an problem with paranoia.

As for all the other issues, probably best to do what Karath suggested and bring them up to management for private discussion instead of airing it out for the entire community.

 
OrionKarathDate: Thursday, 12 May 2011, 10:13 AM | Message # 8
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Adenn, you have touched on a subject I did not, and I thank you for bringing it up. There are somethings that will not be decrypted or have the keyword released, due to the fact that they are highly classified or sensitive issues. In the past, is has been left to the discretion of the writer, and it largely will be. The problem Management is concerned about it, this paranoia and abuse of encryption by overusing it and on very trivial things. A casual conversation, or sending a message saying "Hey, I support you. Blah" shouldn't really be encrypted.

To use an example, the correspondence between Fajra and Orion... that is something that should not, and has not, been encrypted. The orders that went between Admiral Hines and Orion, however, due to their sensitive nature and the fact that Orion is currently operating as a part of a mostly black ops unit, has, and should be, encrypted. There are some out there who enjoy the memo/message aspect of RP, and like to read through them. I can tell you that the thread between Fajra and Orion has views by many people that aren't her and me. A super-majority (and by that, I mean everyone) has consistently respected the OOC information within them. If there has ever been abuse, Management has always stepped in. There is no reason anyone should be paranoid or having trust issues with the community.


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Jace_VaritekDate: Thursday, 12 May 2011, 12:18 PM | Message # 9
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My personal feeling is that disclosure is a good thing, when possible. On the one hand, you don't want people to abuse OOC knowledge, and it's inevitable that some people do tend to do this. On the other hand, though, OOC knowledge can be a valuable source of IC inspiration, too. A memo can tell you a lot about the personality of a character, and can also make you aware of IC events that you could participate in. (Or ask to participate in, preferably). Also, this is just me, but I like to read memos and posts from the old timeline now and then for nostalgia's sake, and if most of those were encrypted then I would have no idea how to decrypt them today. There's something sad, to me, about the record of an RP being lost forever.

With all due respect, though, I don't see what this has to do with Ja'nar. As I said, some people have different boundaries and they do tend to abuse OOC information. (It's not always malicious, either. Some people are just enthusiastic for RP and want to participate.) But this has never been a problem for you, Ja'nar. As far as I know. And "as far as I know" is kind of the important phrase, here. Considering how approachable and understanding we managers are here, if we're not made aware of a problem then we can't help, can we? If you don't want help or don't think that we can, that's fine. But then mentioning your problem on the forum in the middle of a conversation about something else isn't helpful to any of us, either. Or appreciated.

I do understand that there exists some animosity between you and a certain other member here, and really, I'm sorry for that. And I understand, as I'm sure you do too, that we managers are kind of limited in what we can do to resolve a personal dispute. All we can do is be sure that no rules are broken, and as far as I know no rules have been broken. Again, if there's some way management can help you, as Jaron said, do let us know. Otherwise, I'm not sure how anyone benefits from bringing it up a personal dispute on the forum. It can't possibly be an "anti-drama declaration" considering all the drama that has resulted from it in this thread.


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HavocDate: Friday, 13 May 2011, 8:51 AM | Message # 10
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So long as people don't get the idea to use it all the time, then it's perfectly fine. Believe me... I got used to this Secret Squirrel crap for a year. Frustrating yes, but exciting? Priceless.

 
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