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Xalden Request 2: Point of Information
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Wednesday, 18 Apr 2012, 1:18 PM | Message # 1 |
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| "Jabba Desilijic Tiure was one of the most famous of all the Desilijic in the years of the reign of the Galactic Empire, having helped drive the clan from economic obscurity resulting from the days of Zorba's reign, to complete dominance over all other Hutt kajidics during the years 2 BBY to 4 ABY."
- Note that this was complete dominance over Hutt space in around six-seven years time.
"The Desilijic clan also controlled some of the most important podracing courses during the Old Republic, including the Boonta Eve Classic and the Ando Overland, which gave them a de facto financial control over Tatooine and Ando Prime respectively."
- Even with Podracing abandoned, Jabba still controls Tatooine.
"Known for his cruelty and carnal fancies, Jabba the Hutt was powerful enough to command respect and payment from the Galaxy's ruling government, so much so that during the Clone Wars the Republic went to great lengths to avoid Jabba's displeasure."
- During the Separatist Crisis Jabba's influence over the Desilijic clan was enough to sway the whole Hutt Cartel to support the Republic. Even during the Clone Wars Jabba (and so his family) had great influence.
- This influential Jabba is seen to be highly maternal in the Clone Wars film, and is enraged at the Kidnapping of his son. No doubt empathizing with the pregnant Jamulon.
(Jabba hearing of Rotta's kidnapping)
- Gorga Desilijic Aarrpo was head of the Hutt Grand Council, note that Jabba was also on the five member Council.. giving the Clan a significant and influential 40% minority in the Cartel.
- Jiliac Desilijic Tiron - Jabba's Uncle is currently in control of the family (although Clone Wars appears to be retconning out these older comic characters) - had a significant palace on Nal Hutta and is Governor of a world in the Baxel Sector.
- During the New Order, Gorr Desilijic Ebelt ran the biggest crime ring on Naboo.
- All the Hutts in the clan alive during this era either seem to control profitable criminal enterprises or outright control whole worlds.
ERGO
It's not really illogical they would put some spare change in a pot to have some upstart who tried to kill a pregnant cousin (I think in the circumstances I certainly would), even if he's not particularly popular in Hutt space (although not "exiled" in the formal sense) for his ponzi scheme in which many in Hutt Space (and across the galaxy) lost money.
Note how uncomfortable Hutts are at killing family members, when Ziro kidnaps (and may have even killed) Rotta, Jabba does not order his death. Ordering the death of another Hutt is an action which seems to be profoundly distasteful in Huttese Culture, let alone a pregnant one. And thus the revulsion at the placement of a massive bounty on the life of a Hutt who is relatively innocuous for the past century and is a profitable customer for spice (to distribute on Dantooine) for many and family member to some (with little prompting).
As I see it, Hutts don't like killing eachother. And I see an unheard of Hutt of no family attempting a public bounty "hit" on a Hutt from a major family wouldn't go down at all well, hence the Death Mark is an abundantly reasonable response, at least until there's a grovelling apology and a rescinding of the bounty.
Most of all, I think they would object to the fact Xalden posted such a public bounty, no attempt at subtlety or guile, no false name. I think if it had been done "on the quiet" then it could have been ignored, but a public statement of intention to murder a member of a crime family, no matter how insignificant or unpopular, is "disrespect".
- Like in that one episode of the Sopranos, Tony Soprano has to have some Russian gangsters beaten to almost the point of death when his useless drug addict sister (who he hates) gets intimidated by them.
Question I was thinking about, "Why do the Hutt clans avoid killing eachothers members?"
So here's my thoughts
1. Because it sets a precedent, if you kill one it can start a blood feud. Blood feuds are generally unprofitable and unpredictable, essentially like why the Mafia isn't at war with itself constantly and "Made men" have a special status. Continuity is useful, and organized crime thrives in stable circumstances.
2. It's inelegant. Pretty much the reason I hardly ever kill characters mine "beat" in any confrontation. In the words of Terry Pratchett "Cats are like witches. They don't fight to kill, but to win. There is a difference. There's no point in killing an opponent. That way, they won't know they've lost, and to be a real winner you have to have an opponent who is beaten and knows it. There's no triumph over a corpse, but a beaten opponent, who will remain beaten every day of the remainder of their sad and wretched life, is something to treasure."
Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Wednesday, 18 Apr 2012, 1:19 PM |
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| Xalden | Date: Wednesday, 18 Apr 2012, 2:30 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 0:48 AM | Message # 3 |
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Good it's pitched at the more erudite Management, rather than yourself then.
In laymans terms, your assumptions regarding the family are flawed in the extreme.Added (20 Apr 2012, 0:48 AM)
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On a further point of information:
"I'd also like to request that the Hutt Cartel bans any vessels owned by Jamie the Hutt or associated with him from Hutt space due to his status as persona non grata in Hutt Space because of his scheme against the other Hutts. "
- This displays a complete misunderstanding of the way Hutt culture works. I don't see them banning trade which brings them money, that's not to say that certain Hutts may not find more insidious ways to "get back" at Jamie, I think most of them would be satisfied with seeing him out of the way though.
Look at Jabba and Gardulla, they may dislike eachother, even plot to kill eachother, but they're not averse to working alongside eachother (or in Gardulla's case, for Jabba) when circumstances dictate. There's certainly no "open war" or anything like that in this time period, war between Hutts is unprofitable.
Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Wednesday, 18 Apr 2012, 2:44 PM |
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| Xalden | Date: Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 2:20 AM | Message # 4 |
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| You do realize then that with everything you've posted, you've given enough proof to show that the Death Mark you had requested that the Hutts put on Xalden that management approved of, is something that would never have happened then. Or rather, it's something that the Hutts would not have done. Added (20 Apr 2012, 2:20 AM)
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Just in case you were going to say that I was wrong and that what you've posted cant be used as proof against the "death mark" you've run to management and had them put on Xalden.
Quote (Jamie_the_Hutt) Note how uncomfortable Hutts are at killing family members, when Ziro kidnaps (and may have even killed) Rotta, Jabba does not order his death. Ordering the death of another Hutt is an action which seems to be profoundly distasteful in Huttese Culture,
Quote (Jamie_the_Hutt) As I see it, Hutts don't like killing eachother.
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Message edited by Xalden - Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 1:19 AM |
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 6:17 AM | Message # 5 |
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| But as Xalden has placed a bounty against one of the Desilijics it makes perfect sense, if an unaffiliated Hutt did such a thing he would of course be cut off and disavowed by the Hutt community at large (including no doubt his own Clan), actions by clans would be up to them. I've no doubt a private (but anonymous) bounty ("death mark") would be lodged against this profoundly distasteful individual. Also note, Ziro was of the same Clan as Jabba.
If he were a Besadii (as you're now implying?, that does add a layer of complexity) then it's almost certain Xalden's own clan would send bounty hunters his way if he were so publically confrontational with another clan. In organized crime, if another "family" is your enemy, there's all the more reason not to be so blatant.
An eye for an eye is something all organized crime believes in, and in this case it is an eye for two eyes (as Jamie's unborn child is a potentially useful future Clan member), if an Independent Hutt made such an action, he would be killed off via a death mark. If it were a Besadii Hutt the result would be the same, only his own family would place it: noone wants the boat rocked.
Now, I do think it should also be born in mind that Xalden's only RP (until his new world capturing/request) was a one line post placing a bounty on JTH. I'm sure if he withdrew it, the Desilijic Clan would consider re-considering their position, although they may well still wish for this buffoonish and rude Hutt to, never the less, die.Added (20 Apr 2012, 6:17 AM)
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I can totally cite Sopranos episodes or Mafia films as sources if required..
Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 5:37 AM |
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