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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 24 Aug 2012, 10:40 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Okay Brethren All,
Here's my dealio.
1. This is all exact duplicates from the Alien Franchise.. I mean not to go into too much detail - you even took the muzzle diameter of the grenade launcher! At least rip off one franchise and use some generic pictures so nobody knows what it is. Smart guns, drone turrets that go "beep, beep, beep" as they flick from side to side etc are not Star Wars.
2. Slugthrowers generally are meant to be not widely used and rather looked down on (just as the 21st Century man looks down on a Muzzle-loader) - they're not in common usage (except in small special forces niches, by assassins, by primitives etc). They are utterly out of fashion with military forces and for once I think it would behove mangement to put the breaks on "but they cost more than a blaster" to explain why why're better than a blaster - it's abundantly clear that Stark can afford his own rifles (money isn't a hard thing to come by in the RP) and so I don't really see this as a "down side" in any real sense.
I quote The book of Wookieepedia.
Quote Slugthrowers were considered by many to be a primitive, inferior technology when compared to blasters, and were often used by those without access to better weapons, such as primitive cultures. Slugthrowers were often looked down upon due to their use of projectile ammunition which are ballistic resulting in the shooter needing to plot the trajectory of his or her shot and requires a reasonable amount of practice. While a blaster bolt would dissipate after it had reached past its maximum effective range, it would not drop and thus was considered superior in terms of accuracy. A slug, however, would drop to the ground once it had far surpassed its maximum effective range.
3. Ye gods all! You use a ridiculous number of words to say what could be achieved by a simple list of statistics. This isn't a brochure for Weyland Yutani. I presume, however, that it was modified from one.
4. And my god, look at all the awful anachronisms Adam! Crumbs.
A choice selection:
On the APC:
" is built around a 4x4 wheeled layout, powered by a multi-fuel gas turbine engine" - Why use normal generators when you can use massively inefficient old gasoline.. not to mention this precludes the possibility of this "all purpose vehicle" operating in anything but an oxygen rich atmosphere - i.e. It simply wouldn't start in vacuum etc.
"receives power independently from the engine via a fully automatic, electronically-controlled transmission system" Wow, the cutting edge of 20th century technology there... oh wait.. Star Wars!?
With it's low ground clearance the APC would be stumped by anything so fiendish as a decent sized bank and trench.
I wonder if it's complete with LCD Monitors and a man screaming "game over man".
The dropship.
It's got the capacity to go 3-4x faster than most contemporary fighters.
"fixed point rockets" - Seems a rather quaint system in star wars.
Conclusion
I like Alien, I like Star Wars. Alien does not fit in Star Wars, the technologies you describe are literally appropriated from the film Aliens.
And the problem with that is that it's designed to be a vision of the near future, thus technology in the films are essentially not vastly further in advance of that which we have at our disposal 20 years later. I.E. A lot of this gear might perform pretty well in the 21st century..
Star Wars is literally light years ahead technologically. This is like comparing a man with a sharpened stick to a 20th century machine gunner (the type of wars the British enjoyed fighting!).. I mean, I think it must be frustrating for you but really, redesign the ships using listed components that exist in star wars (there are a ridiculous number on wookieepedia) not by pasting over the work of some dedicated Aliens fan with too much time on his hands and expect it to wash.
To put it in blunt terms, humans have been spacefaring in Star Wars for tens of thousands of years. Technology -is- going to be better than in a civilization which has been spacefaring (but doesn't even seem to have FTL drive) for circa 200 years (from Sputnik I), you know, we don't have all the vague technical details of a Star Wars Sensor Suite - but we do know it's going to be lightyears ahead of any components we can list based on modern technology. Sure say "they have radar in the sensor array" but it's fair to assume a wide band of passive and active sensors are present on almost all craft, which probably include radar anyway - as such mentioning technical systems in depth isn't helpful and inadvertently cripples the product you're seeking to make.
E.g. Don't say "The coatings also act as a radar reflecting surface, preventing the entire cockpit volume from becoming a radar reflecting cavity.".. You know, I'm sure all worlds militaries have anti radar paint - but the notion that Radar is anything like a primary means of scanning in a society effectively 25,000 years in the future is risible.
The same applies for comms, computers etc. If you want a better than average computer, say it, not "with it's 16 gigahopalongs of memory it has the capacity to proces x data per second - people don't need to know that. A "faster than average computer" suffices.
I like to see innovative new designs and ideas being brought in but I just don't think the way you're seeking to implement this particular set of products is in tune with the roleplay or it's setting.
Thus as a request to Adam
Please reconsider your request maybehaps? Maybe do a little corporate espionage and copy then improve on an existing star wars design! Or even invent your own stuff.. but invent it don't plagarise it in all but name.
OH GOD YOU'VE GOT PARACHUTE FLARES? Come on!? Really? That's not even 22nd century stuff - that's modern standard issue kit. Really? A parachute? Why not a small single use repulsor?
Oh! One final thing, an LED Alarm clock style display in bright red telling you how many bullets you have left seems like it's only going to make you a target. OH GOD and it has a Lithium battery in it? Come on man.. let's jazzle up this request, drop the alien malarki and get what you want:
1. A decent and effective assault rifle with underslung weapon.
2. A grenade launcher.
3. A squad support weapon.
4. Some form of automated defense turret you can deploy.
5. A versatile APC
6. A dropship for it.
Since you own (by all accounts) a plethora of arms companies, is there nothing they produce which could be used in Lieu of Alien weapons? Or else you could peruse the Wookieepedia list of weapons and pick out one you like then have it modified for your own needs..
And then Alien can stay in Alien, before any of this awful prometheus jazz happened.
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| Sevarius_Anderson | Date: Friday, 24 Aug 2012, 10:52 PM | Message # 2 |
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| eh, on second thought this wasn't a very constructive response on my part, forget you saw this.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Saturday, 25 Aug 2012, 4:44 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Jamie, I actually appreciate this post, largely because I never claimed the designs therein were my own. They are, as you stated, taken for 99% of the part from the weapon systems utilized primary in the film Aliens (being the secondary film). The weapons and items in question are indeed utilized by the so-called Colonial Marines. Now, I can admit that I went on sort of an Alien-quadrilogy binge whilst down here and it struck me that I felt the need to influence my next request with that bend.
True enough, the information for the specifics of the weaponry already existed, so I changed a bit of this and a bit of that and left the greater whole intact, largely because of the saying, 'if it's not broke, don't fix it.' That being said, I have my reasons for preferring the 'archaic' to blasters. That being said, if slug-based weapons are indeed considered primitive and inferior to blasters, why exactly is it such an issue if Stark chooses to equip his company's security personnel with slug-based weaponry? As you pointed out, he does have a good amount of money. Perhaps it is better to have a marksman who is trained to handle slugthrowers so as to be easily able to cross-train on blasters. Personally, I see no drawback. Trying to restrict all weaponry in play to primarily blasters is a little strange.
As for the APC, there is a reason behind the design, primarily noted that it's not designed to operate in vacuum for starters and secondly, it's more of an urban and flatland type vessel.
Granted, the only realistic complaint I can see that you have here is that I borrowed far too heavily from the direct Alien franchise without enough modification. that being said, I'd be glad to change and alter for a more personal touch, but I see no reason for the rest of it not to stay, especially specific measurements. I'm a stickler for certain details and the like.Added (25 Aug 2012, 11:28 AM)
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And I did go back and do some editing, by the by. Added (25 Aug 2012, 4:44 PM)
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Also, I like parachute flares. They're fun to shoot off.
Alyn Stark
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Head of House Malos (former)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Saturday, 25 Aug 2012, 5:14 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I'm glad you've taken my gentle diatribe in the friendly manner it's intended.
I mean if stark wants to give his people them, fine.. But it seems like any soldier would object in the circumstances. Here you go Private, a 1860 Model Lee Enfield Rifle, don't worry, the insurgent tribesmen have primitive weapons from 20 years ago. In the circumstances even if my musket (or even bolt action rifle) had explosive ammunition I'd prefer my SA-80 with some 5.56.
Essentially I just seem to have seen lots of slug throwers about recently when canonically even basic stormtrooper amour is stated to be proof against all but the largest penetrator and he rounds.
Il be honest, the Smartguns are what make me shit fire and lightning. If you really strongly want a regular weapon to be a slug thrower then so be it - but I was just appealing for you to consider the options and highlighting the many canon weapons about.Added (25 Aug 2012, 5:14 PM)
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And parachute flares are okay I suppose in the 21st century. I like the distress balloons with a flashin light more.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Saturday, 25 Aug 2012, 5:20 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Sorry Jamie, I was grumpy this morning. Lack of food and an early wakeup in preparation to leave to Kansas tomorrow. My apologies.
But yeah, I'll admit I was on a bit of an Alien binge and I've been running around the woods of Louisiana for the last week and a half shooting at people (fake rounds, of course) so I kind of had a hard-on for slugthrower weaponry. Granted, your argument outweighs mine, but given the limitations on private armies and defense companies, so to speak, I wanted to go with weapons that were underused.
Distress balloons would work as well. I'm just fond of parachute flares ever since I set some bushes on fire with one.
And the smart guns were just too damn cool to pass up. I like a weapon that shoots where you turn your head. Kinda sexy.
Alyn Stark
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Saturday, 15 Sep 2012, 12:34 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Can we really look at if "smartguns" fit in with the technology and "feel" of star wars?
Seem like an endgame weapon to me.Added (15 Sep 2012, 12:34 PM)
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Rigged up the eyepiece via skype and my iphone/ipod, I taped the iphone to my helmet using a hangar so my iphone was positioned infront of my eye but far back enough so I could focus.
Then taped my ipod to a nerf machine gun I found once. Do you have any freaking idea how disorientating it is to have one eye not seeing where the other eye is seeing? It's instapuke city doing anything but closing the other eye and standing still just moving the weapon around.
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1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Saturday, 15 Sep 2012, 12:43 PM | Message # 7 |
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| It's pretty far from an endgame weapon, actually.
And while you might have had personal issues with motion sickness, Jamie, I can assure you from a number of items we've had to field test for upcoming products for soldiers being deployed, using an eyepiece is quite doable.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
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