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OOC Drone Discrepancy
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 04 Dec 2012, 10:00 PM | Message # 1 |
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| So, it was pointed out that the case-by-case approval of the Defense Committee is required for the Stark Defense Conglomerate to sell any of its drones. This is true, complicating the fact that the Dominion Federation claims to have bought some of them. I proposed, and Adaaran accepted, that the drones the Federation bought were either A.) re-sold Stark designs purchased second-hand, or B.) Chinese-style knockoffs of the real product.
The problem with A. is that Stark has claimed in the past that the drones are programmed to work only in a certain area of operations that's specified by the person who buys the drones from them. If so, B. would seem to be our answer. But my personal take on it is that despite these built-in countermeasures, the computer could still be ripped out and either re-programmed or replaced, hence re-sale would be possible (if rather a lot of work).
If you're okay with it, Adam, I'd prefer to go with option A. because it's closest to preserving the original intent. But if you're not okay with it, which is perfectly fine considering you do have documentation to refute it, we'll go with option B. for the purposes of the IC investigation into what happened.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012, 2:39 AM | Message # 2 |
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| While I do understand that (A) is easier, it pretty much goes against everything that Jamie had me set forth to set up as safeguards with the Defense Committee, so (B) would be better. I do trust that wherever the 'knockoff's' are coming from, they will be shut down and whatnot?
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012, 6:34 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Tbh fooling a drone to break the safeguards doesn't seem impossible.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012, 10:00 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I'd say with the safeguards on it it'd be damn near.
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| Ambassador_Baal | Date: Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012, 10:10 AM | Message # 5 |
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| If I may make an observation. It seems with so many "safeguards" in place, it would appear that one does not want to allow the opening for anything to happen involving these drones.
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| General_Eel | Date: Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012, 1:10 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Yeah, safeguards on computer programs are all ultimately breakable - but the Defense Committee was attempting to suggest with the safeguards that it thought the Drones shouldnt be produced - Stark just doesnt get a hint.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012, 3:24 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Profits are profits, Jamie. As long as it complies with the safeguards the Defense Committee sets forth, they're legal for sale.
Baal, I might add that while certain methods of tamping with the drones do exist, it's up to other players to find them, if they so wish. I'm not about to lay out the weaknesses of all my designs to be exploited or possibly contaminated by OOC interference.Added (05 Dec 2012, 3:24 PM)
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Besides, the drones are about to be phased out anyway.
Alyn Stark
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| Ambassador_Baal | Date: Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012, 3:53 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I think you misinterpreted what I said. I do not expect you to just lay everything out OOC. I was merely making the observation that these 'drones' appear to have too many 'safeguards' in place in an attempt to make it next to impossible to find any weaknesses.
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012, 4:03 PM | Message # 9 |
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| It's fair to say that if you had one in your possession you'd be able to find a technological workaround to any "safeguards" given enough time and effort.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 1:36 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Still not next to impossible, but first you'd have to actually have the drones, and in the case of the Federation, they've never been clients of Vigilance Technologies.
And, as Jamie says, through time and effort. I mean, if they were so easy to crack that any slicer could do it in three and a half minutes, they'd be rather pointless to use in warfare. But it's also sort of a moot point as they're about to be replaced by something more sophisticated.
Alyn Stark
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 10:25 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I agree with Message #9 and Message #10, hence in my post I mentioned it'd be "rather a lot of work" to reprogram the drones. It's also a moot point OOC, however, since it's Adam's call and Adaaran has said he's ok with it either way, so we're going with these drones being cheap imitations of Stark drones being circulated on the market as the real thing.
As for shutting down the source of the drone knockoffs, that'd be an IC matter (a fun one, at that) rather than an OOC one. It's safe to assume there are cheap imitations of pretty much everything (admittedly, the sophistication of a drone perhaps pushing the boundaries of susceptibility to counterfeiting), but any degree of scrutiny—such as the IC investigation now underway—would quickly reveal them to be fakes.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Friday, 07 Dec 2012, 2:06 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Sounds good to me, Jace.
Alyn Stark
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