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Imperial Education Reform Bill
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Wednesday, 27 Oct 2010, 4:31 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Most beings should learn Basic. It is after the language that all business is conducted in and most governments. In the cases of those spieces that cannot speak basic because of vocal uncompatiblities, another native language will be substituted.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Wednesday, 27 Oct 2010, 5:06 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Senators, might I propose a compromise? Amendment 3
The sentence "all standards will be created by current educators with varying degrees of experience in their subject areas as well as from as many different planets as possible" is stricken from the legislation and replaced by the following language: "Common standards shall be devised by a select committee of the Commission for the Preservation of the New Order, to include educators with varying degrees of experience in their subject areas." A very reasonable amendment, I feel. Are you willing to accept this compromise, Senator Veritas? Senator Cerra?
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Wednesday, 27 Oct 2010, 5:10 PM | Message # 18 |
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| I am indeed willing to accept the compromise amendment, Grand Vizier. You show a gift for the arts of politics and administration. Should this be adopted, by Senator Cerra, I would be able to support this legislation.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Wednesday, 27 Oct 2010, 5:32 PM | Message # 19 |
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| I am strongly against this. Whenever politicians or buearcrats get involved in education, especially education practices and standards, there are always issues. They have not been in the classroom and feel as if they know what is best. I cannot and will not agree with that amendment.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Thursday, 28 Oct 2010, 0:02 AM | Message # 20 |
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| I probably have children, and I don't want to see some politician, that's you Ja'nar Cerra, telling them what they can and can't learn. That's what this is about, isn't it? You know best, Senator, and to the Corellian hells with everyone else. Why else would you refuse to compromise or let anyone else's voice be heard but yours? I vote NO, Senators. No playing fast and loose with education. No politicians in charge of our schools. We need a higher standard for our children, and a steady hand to set that standard or else politicians like Ja'nar Cerra will do it for us. Clearly, that's the choice she's giving us: her way or no way. Well I say no way will you tell the children of Eriadu that they have to learn some mongrel language. No way will you teach my children backward "theories" about the species. No way, Senators. If she isn't going to compromise then I'm not going to vote for her bill, and neither should you. Vote this bill down, and lets put together an education plan that respects the will of the parents and the people. (not just liberal politicians who don't even know SEDITION when it's spoken right in this chamber! Is this who you want in charge of your child's education?)
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Crin_Star | Date: Thursday, 28 Oct 2010, 8:57 AM | Message # 21 |
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| "With respect governor, you are wrong in this instance. The bill being proposed would create standards which must be met by individual schools galaxy over and provides children the ability to advance beyond their upbringing if they are intelligent or skilled enough. I don't believe that we need to burden COMPNOR with the mandate to inspect every single school in the empire instead, I believe this can and should be done by representatives of the Empire. The only supervision that really is needed for this legislation is to make sure that the standards are being met and that should be done by periodic visiting to the schools by a representative. Perhaps even the commander of the garrison in system who would then report back to the education comittee on his or her findings ot make sure they are up to date and on task and leave it up to the comittee in conjunction with the planet's rulers with reguards to how to implement any changes that may be needed after inspection."
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 28 Oct 2010, 11:49 AM | Message # 22 |
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| To raise our children to higher standards does not equal stressing out and over working our educators. There jobs are hard enough. Students often spend more time with their teachers than with their parents. Educators spend countless hours grading, planning, contacting parents, learning new techniques and strategies to reach their students, and continuing their own education. If you were to have an agent of the government constantly looking over your shoulder, coming into your office, inspecting it and speaking with your aides constantly, would you not get a bit stressed out? Most educators just want to teach. They love their subject areas and they love working with the future of this empire. Do we want to push great educators away because we cannot let go of a bit of control? I would like to bring in some educators to speak to this body. So you can see that what I am saying, is what most educators feel. I am not trying to have just my way. I understand the education system. I work very close with the universities on Garos IV, which are some of the best within the Empire, and many of the teacher education programs. Please, I am not trying to be difficult, I just understand how educators feel. I have worked with them on Garos to make sweeping reforms that would be acceptable to them and would allow us to educate all of the children of Garos.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Thursday, 28 Oct 2010, 9:44 PM | Message # 23 |
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| I'm sorry, Senator, I do not find it a worthy use of the Senate's time to have educators testify to this body. I'm sure an equal number of educators can be found to testify against the measure as for it, and we shall have accomplished nothing. I would like to clarify for the Senator, though, and for Senator Star, that this isn't a question of having to inspect every school. My amendment simply proposed, I think reasonably, that COMPNOR form a select committee to devise a loose set of standards—a broad framework for educators to work within. This is not too onerous either for COMPNOR or for educators who, if anything, will benefit from the guidance as they devise their own cirriculums. But what I feel is unreasonable, surely, is the suggestion that the government (which provides funding, scholarships, etc.) should have no role in these standards whatsoever. I believe, with all due respect, that the Empire can do better than a million worlds with a million standards. It is indeed unfortunate, Senator Cerra, that you are not willing to compromise on this measure. Under the circumstances, though, the chair has no choice but to oppose the measure and urge the Senate to do the same. I'm sorry, Senator, but to paraphrase Governor Oswaldt, you leave us no choice.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 28 Oct 2010, 11:20 PM | Message # 24 |
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| Well then, you have left me no choice. The only reason you are not supporting this Reform Bill, is due to the fact that I refused to change my vote on the censure issue when you approached me about it Mister Sate.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Taja_Lohden | Date: Friday, 29 Oct 2010, 1:20 PM | Message # 25 |
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| I and the people of Kaal are disappointed that such a promising bill has ended in ruins, because of the inability to shift or compromise. As ever, though, we support the chair in its decision, especially considering the recent turn for the worst that this debate took. As for Senator Cerra's threatening words, perhaps you could explain what you mean by 'you have left me no choice'? I am sure you don't mean to level any sort of hostile threat at the Chair, and by extension, the Senators in favour of it...
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Friday, 29 Oct 2010, 4:19 PM | Message # 26 |
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| I share in Senator Lohden's regret. I care deeply about education and, indeed, I confided to Senator Cerra that I was in support of her measure and that I would do what I could to see it passed (which I have). It would be in poor taste for the Senator to misrepresent this as some sort of slander upon me or the Empire, and I would caution her not to do so. I think I have made clear what my reasons are for opposing the measure. I would also remind her that I am not unwilling to compromise on this. She is unwilling to compromise, and this, I fear, will do more to defeat this measure than I possibly could. But the fact remains that the bill is in need of certain revisions, and regrettably the chair cannot support it in its current form.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Friday, 29 Oct 2010, 5:10 PM | Message # 27 |
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| I am not against compromise. I have accept the changes that Senator Star proposed. The proposals that have recently been brought to the attention of this body are unacceptable to me. They allow the government more and more oversight over something that I believe should be under local control. I see no reason for complete imperial oversight when it comes to education. I would rather see this bill die than to allow more big government oversight, especially when it comes to education. As for you Vizier Pestage, you attempted to sway my support for the censure motion, in order for you to support this, this education reform. *along with her speech she would have copies of Pestage's communication with her, forwarded to all senators. If any research was done, they would find that it was an original and untampered with*
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Friday, 29 Oct 2010, 5:47 PM | Message # 28 |
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| The document is admitted into the record. I'm sure the Senate will agree that it corroborates my version of events. It is unfortunate, Senator Cerra, if you have misunderstood me. Clearly, in the document, I have nothing but kind words for your measure and, as I told the Senate a moment ago, I confided to you that it was my desire to see it passed. The censure of Representative Crion, having been proposed before your measure, must be concluded before yours is. What the Senate will see in the document is my desire to do so as soon as possible, so that Senator Cerra's proposal could receive the full attention that it deserved (and, I feel, it has now had). I must say it is not becoming of you to accuse those who disagree with your proposal of some sort of nefarious conspiracy. This was a tendency that poor Mical had as well. I permitted it from Mical for too long, and I'm afraid I cannot do so again. Once again, Senator, you are cautioned.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Friday, 29 Oct 2010, 6:21 PM | Message # 29 |
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| Why do those who do not agree with you are warned and scolded like a school child, when others are free to call myself a traitor to the Empire, uncompromising, and other things, when I fail to agree with your point of view. I do not believe the Emperor wants us to all think alike and I am horrified to see such backlash from speaking my mind. I am an open book, my office is always open to any who wish to visit or speak with me on any issue. What I do not understand is how...how can such a bill be lost in such politics. Everyone had agreed and voted in favor of this reform before the introduction of COMPNOR into it. I do not agree with COMPNOR as a whole, especially when it comes to education. I refuse to allow outside agents into the schools on Garos. It does not matter what kind of agency it is. If it is from the outside, they have no right to come in and try to tell my educators how to run their classrooms or that they are doing something wrong. It saddens me, but Vizier Pestage, it seems as if I am no longer welcome within this body.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Robert_North | Date: Friday, 29 Oct 2010, 7:32 PM | Message # 30 |
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| It saddens me, Senator Cerra, that you are a stubborn fool, willing to only see the amendments of those you agree with, but should amendments come from those you have opposed in this Senate, you automatically strike them down, even when a compromise between you and Senator Veritas is attempted to be reached by the honorable Grand Vizier. It sickens me, as well, that you have attempted to slander and defame the Grand Vizier in such a childish and dishonorable manner. I vote Against this legislation, and anyone loyal to the Empire would be wise to do the same, lest you wish to see your children become babbling fools and slaves to the Jedi.
The Honorable R.C.W. North
Senator of Imperial Center
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee Mayor of the Galactic/Imperial City (22 BBY-18 BBY)
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