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Elimination of Health Benefits for Non-Human Senators
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Friday, 26 Nov 2010, 7:47 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Governor Oswaldt, you are called to order. I appreciate that you are passionate about your proposal, and that Senator Riada's appearance is, let us say, not what we are accustomed to. But even if Senator Riada isn't observing proper decorum doesn't mean that you are not expected to. That said, Senator Riada, you are also expected to observe proper decorum in the Senate and Governor Oswaldt is correct that your appearance is a part of this. I would refer you to section 5 of the Senate code of conduct—the dress code—which states that "Human males are permitted to wear a collared tunic, or a collared shirt with a business jacket or diplomatic robe. Ties are preferred, but not required. Button-vests and sweater-vests are permitted. Martial uniforms and ceremonial armor are permitted (at the discretion of the chair). Loafers, cap-toe shoes, and 'Republic'-style boots no higher than one's knee are permitted," and also, "hair must be of a reasonable length, and must be neat and well-kempt (at the discretion of the chair). Facial hair is permitted, but must be neat and well-kempt (at the discretion of the chair)." Please do bear this in mind in the future, Senator Riada. Now, let us continue this debate.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Fabio | Date: Saturday, 27 Nov 2010, 9:47 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Very well, Grand Vizier. I shall represent my self more properly next time.
Fabio Riada. King of Anobis.
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| RonsardEntrente | Date: Monday, 29 Nov 2010, 1:52 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Governor Oswaldt, I do not deny that your proposal saves money for the Imperial treasury, however, given the human-dominated nature of the Imperial Senate..I would venture to say that the cost savings from your bill would be symbolic at best. This bill has prompted me to look into a broader healthcare reform bill that would affect not only senators, but also Imperial bureaucrats/officers and the general Imperial citizenry. My initial calculations have found that such a plan could save the Empire billions per year, whereas Governor Oswaldt's merely skims the foam off the milkshake.
Ronsard Entrente Senator of Commenor
Ranking Member, Commerce Committee
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 29 Nov 2010, 4:29 PM | Message # 19 |
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| I must agree with my fellow senators who have voted against this act and cast my vote against this motion as well.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 01 Dec 2010, 9:28 PM | Message # 20 |
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| Senator Thanatos, Quote So basically, Governor, you want to cut non-human senators health benefits to save money? No. I gave my reasons already, but Senator Entrente said "I see no other valid reasons for cutting health care expenses than budgetary reasons" so I gave him a budgetary reason too. Quote I understand that. But in doing that you are basically saying that they do not have the same rights as those senators who are human, just because their needs are different. A disabled person in a repulsorchair has a right to have a ramp into this building. You and I don't have a right to have a ramp. Theres an example of rights being different because of different needs. Or the Neimoidian example I aleady said. Your argument is that my right to live isnt as important as the diseased Neimoidian's right to be in this room and get me sick. No. its not fair to me to have to pay for a Neimoidian's disease, with my life or with my money. And Senator Entrente, Quote Governor Oswaldt, I do not deny that your proposal saves money for the Imperial treasury Thank you.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Wednesday, 01 Dec 2010, 9:50 PM | Message # 21 |
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| I join with Senator Cerra and my other colleagues in opposing this measure. Governor Oswaldt, your arguments are specious. "Diseased Neimoidians" and disabled persons in repulsorchairs have no bearing on providing medical care for any Senator of any species. If it was true, as you seem to imply, that aliens tend to be more susceptible to disease, then there might be some kind of sense in what you say. But to be candid, Governor, this is a paranoid delusion. It is true that alien physiology is different from ours, but, if anything, the differences between the species is precisely the reason that our standards must be the same—not to provide the same medical care, but to provide the same quality of care to all Senators. Does this cost more? Yes, it does. Surely, though, it would be cheaper to abolish the Senate completely, but no one proposes to do this. Indeed, Governor, just because something is cost-effective does not mean it is right.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 01 Dec 2010, 9:57 PM | Message # 22 |
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| Naboo, my arguments are not speciesist. Are you denying Neimoidians are more susceptible to disease than us? And I'm the "delusional" one here?
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Wednesday, 01 Dec 2010, 10:08 PM | Message # 23 |
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| I said specious, Governor. Specious; "having the ring of truth or plausibility but actually fallacious." I do not deny that Neimoidians are known, on occasion, to be carriers of diseases, but this is only "the ring of truth." Not all aliens are Neimoidians, Governor, and not all of them are carriers of diseases (I would also remind the Governor that we Humans also carry diseases that many aliens do not). Thus, it has no bearing on your proposal to "eliminate" health care for all Senators who are not Human. I remain firmly opposed to that proposal, and to any discrimination in health care.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Saturday, 01 Jan 2011, 12:29 PM | Message # 24 |
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| The vote is closed, and the measure is defeated with 9% in favor and 91% opposed. I commend you for your intent, Governor, but I feel you may be ahead of your time. I do hope, though, that you will continue to explore this subject in the future.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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