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A Blockade of Aeeq, for Free Trade and Fair Treatment
Titus_VeritasDate: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 9:07 PM | Message # 16
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It's fine and well that you notified your people... but entrapped the importers. There was no notice available to the galaxy, and that is the concern here. That is why, although not entirely appropriate, it has been called a "secret law". That is where the fault is; lack of notification. Hence, my earlier questions, which have gone unanswered. So, I will ask again; have these men been notified of their full extent of ability of appeal?

As a matter of clarification, which I thought was unnecesarry, when I said that attacks against Coruscant, Anaxes, or Brentaal would be deemed an attack against the Empire, I was referencing the worlds themselves, and their systems, not their government or military forces.


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Crin_StarDate: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 9:17 PM | Message # 17
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"I have not been there for the communications between the officers and the arrestees but it is standard Volusian policy to give anyone accused of a crime a list of their rights in basic with the option to have them presented in about 6,000,000 other forms of communication. So, to answer your question I believe that they have been informed of their right to appeal and have not been left in the dark as to their rights. I, personally, have had no contact with these prisoners or directly with the officers overseeing them and have only the reports to go by Senator and as such that is the best I can give you at this time."
 
Senator_CambristDate: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 9:18 PM | Message # 18
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Let us assume, please, that I am the authority on what I said and intended to say, and not Crin Star. I'm certain I've already clarified this, but in case Senator Star continues to misunderstand me, I will clarify again; the Senator threatened to embargo goods from Brentaal, and I informed the Senator that if she does this, Brentaal would respond with an embargo of her goods, too. Brentaal is situated at the intersection of the Hydian Way and the Perlemian Trade Route. Thus, were Brentaal to embargo her goods, it would refuse to permit those goods to travel through its space and "the Hydian Way would be closed to Volus." Half of the Hydian Way, at least, and the entire Perlemian Trade Route. My purpose in mentioning this was to advise the Senator, out of concern for her people, that an embargo on Brentaal's goods would not be wise.

I respectfully ask that the chair not permit the Senator from Volus to continue to misrepresent my words. If she does continue to do so, I will bring suit against her for defamation. Likewise, if she continues uttering this nonsense about Brentaal and the other worlds in this coalition enriching themselves from this endeavor ("serving their own pocketbooks"), I will bring suit and encourage the other worlds she is slandering to do so as well. Please note, Senators, that she is simply repeating this point despite the fact that I have already demonstrated it to be false. Shame.

Senators, comparing a broad, diverse coalition of Imperial worlds—urban worlds, industrial worlds, agricultural worlds, of every political persuasion—to the former Trade Federation is ridiculous, especially considering that this coalition has dedicated itself to free trade. No 'federation,' just 'trade.' If anything, the government of Volus capturing an Imperial freighter, seizing its cargo, and arresting its innocent crew is more reminiscent of the Trade Federation's thuggery. I'm pleased that you agree with this, Senator Veritas, and I'm sorry that I have not responded to you as soon as I might have, but I simply can't let this slander and falsification of history go unchallenged.

To answer you, though; the coalition is doing nothing to Aeeq that Volus hasn't done to another Imperial world, and that world's ship, its cargo, and its crew. But as you observed, we are in fact doing far less than Volus has done—we are arresting no one, we are threatening no one, and we are not keeping anyone else's ships or anyone else's cargo. We have also declared our reasons for this, while Volus did not. As for those reasons, Senator Veritas, I agree with you of course that free trade should not be impeded, and that it may seem counter-intuitive to condemn an impediment to free trade with another impediment to free trade. But to be candid with you, our purpose is to "spread the pain," as it were; to demonstrate to the galaxy why it is that what Volus has done is unacceptable. It is a demonstration of the impact that this sort of conduct, if not condemned now, can have on your world, or mine, or any world including, yes, Aeeq.

It is, in a sense, fighting fire with fire, in that I do not see how the Senator from Volus can condemn us without, thus, condemning herself. We can see that she is attempting to, and I suspect that's why she did not answer your question, Senator.


 
Crin_StarDate: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 9:35 PM | Message # 19
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"Senator Cambrist, you have failed to prove any such statements false if anything you prove them to be true. The reason for the comparison is because the tactics are exactly the same as the Trade Federation of old. You blockade an entire world for very little reason and attempt to hold them hostage to get your demands met, very much like the Trade Federation attempted to do to Naboo.

Another point is that Volus has not impeded free trade, instead has acted based on scientific information provided to us and sought to protect the natural environment of Volus from contaminants which could upset the balance. While you may see this as an impediment to free trade would you also consider arresting a spice runner an impediment to free trade? Of course not because they are carrying contraband materials into a place whereupon they are restricted from entering, which is exactly what the Vjunite crew was accused of doing and rightly convicted due to the overwhelming evidence that they were in fact guilty of the crime of attempting to bring contraband materials onto Volus.

You can try to condemn it all you want but the actions are bitter extremes of one another. We have allowed trade to continue on while your actions seek to prohibit trade, Senator. You close down trade routes with warships for what? Because you feel as though Volus is threatening free trade? Senator Veritas is correct that it defeats the purpose but there has been NO attack on free trade instead just a planet attempting to protect its environment based on science, to which there has been no refutation of or contradiction of sent to either myself or to the Volusian government. We acted in the planets best interest and will not apologize for it nor will we be condemned for actually doing what a government is supposed to do.

 
Titus_VeritasDate: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 10:04 PM | Message # 20
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Since apparently a few Senators in this body have short memories or stubborn minds, I feel the need to to make this statement again.

"It's fine and well that you notified your people... but entrapped the importers. There was no notice available to the galaxy, and that is the concern here. That is why, although not entirely appropriate, it has been called a 'secret law'."

This statement simply states the facts of the matter Senator Star. If this case goes to Imperial appeal, maybe even local appeal, I am telling you, it will not stand up.

And again, since memories are short here, Deralia IS offering its services as a mediator in negotiations to bring about an end to this issue.


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Robert_NorthDate: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 10:08 PM | Message # 21
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It appears that Volus' political allies are only useful in the Senate Hall and could burn for all it could care outside of it. Interesting.

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Senator_CambristDate: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 10:11 PM | Message # 22
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I hesitate, always, to accuse a Senator of lying. But with respect to your assertion, Senator Star (that Volus is "a planet attempting to protect its environment based on science, to which there has been no refutation of or contradiction of sent to either myself or to the Volusian government), you will find that this letter, sent to you almost a month ago, disproves the assertion. I submit this letter to the Senate record, so that the Senator can have a look and perhaps be reminded of it. As for proving your other, slanderous comment to be false, I can do so if you wish by providing accounting documents on the cost of fuel, salary, maintenance, etc. for this blockade. Compared to the estimated revenue from the blockade ("zero") you will find that none of us are profiting from it. I regret to inform you of this, Senator, but you are not right. On this or, I'm afraid, many other issues.

And Senator Veritas, I welcome an attempt at mediation. I have been informed, however, that the coalition has already made diplomatic attempts to secure the release of this crew, and ship, and cargo, and that Volus has refused. At this point, what options have we but drastic ones? None.




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Bernard_OrielDate: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 11:44 PM | Message # 23
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I am frankly not shocked by Senator Star telling a brazen lie to this chamber, and I ask that she apologise for it.

I would also like to reinforce that every possible action has been taken to alleviate this crisis, with diplomats from Vjun working hard with the Volusian Government for months to settle on a mutually agreeable arrangement, however, all talks with respect to Volus have failed. Every attempt we have made to negotiate with Volus has only resulted in them stonewalling our diplomats with this endless nonsense about "planetary rights". Planetary rights do not extend to passing secret laws designed to entrap Imperial Citizens.

There is no present protest at Volus itself, and so Senator Veritas should find himself free to go and negotiate should he choose to, and will have my full support in the endeavour. Volus must know that we will not let the people of Vjun or Dantooine rot in a cell thanks to its greed.


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Crin_StarDate: Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 3:37 AM | Message # 24
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In regards to that letter there is no evidence presented just the word of a committee which has conveniently forgotten to include any of the evidence presented, perhaps because it does not exist? There has been no lie to this chamber about the reasons for this law Senator Oriel as much as you seem to think there is one. There is not a single piece of Viable, scientific evidence in the letter presented to this chamber nor is there any indication of such being available for review.

It is not greed to protect an environment Senator Oriel. It is not greed to care about what natural resources you have and strive to protect them for future generations as the bill in question does do.

Senator Veritas, Volus would of course be happy to discuss these manners in front of a mediator however, we will not do so while an trade federation-esque blockade is above an Imperial planet for no good reason as it is here.

 
Senator_OrdanDate: Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 6:59 AM | Message # 25
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As ever the outraged squealing of the Volusian Senator has filled our ears. As ever Volus stands alone, nobody shares its opinion, nobody cares for its opinion. Again Volus defends injustice and oppression. Let this be a lesson to Volus, let Volus learn it cannot pass secret laws and use them as an excuse to punish Imperial Citizens. No more politically motivated laws should be made by Volus.

Even now Senator Star, you can recant, even now we will forgive you and allow you to come back to the fold.. Even after your lies to this chamber, after your endless nonsense.. Take the outheld hand of friendship and change your policy.


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Senator_CambristDate: Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 9:48 AM | Message # 26
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It is becoming sad to listen to the Senator from Volus. Now science is conspiring against her, too. Senator, all of this testimony of scientists to the Commerce Committee is public. I notified you of it, and you can find it on the holonet. Anyone can. And the University of the Core published the findings that I mentioned to you (if you honestly need findings to tell you that no, common clothing is not dangerous to your environment). Senators, I think we have seen that the Senator from Volus is willing to say anything to continue clinging to her notion that she is right and absolutely everyone else is wrong. Diplomatic overtures have not dissuaded her. The testimony of reputed scientists have not dissuaded her. A unanimous vote of the Commerce Committee has not dissuaded her. The apparently universal condemnation of this Senate has not dissuaded her. I only hope, out of concern for the people of Aeeq, that this blockade will dissuade her from her manful ego and bring her to say those three, therapeutic words, "I was wrong." The tragedy of this is that, until she does, the lives of two innocent men and the livelihoods of a hundred thousand innocent Avareeqs remain in the balance.

 
Crin_StarDate: Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 11:06 AM | Message # 27
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Senator Cambrist I warn you do not twist my words. The findings have as of yet -not- been published or made available for review and I have not said anything of the sort and the reason I dispute it is because you have not provided any evidence but your own word, which considering your actions lately, blockading an innocent planet for instance, is worth very little. There has not been a single shred of actual scientific evidence presented to myself or to volus, there has not been a single word spoken from one of these reputed scientists to myself or the government of Volus. While you claim your statement proves it, in fact it doesn't because there is nothing -behind- those words. As I told you when I responded to that letter, if you were to share those findings we would of course review them but as of yet there has been nothing presented to us to support your statement and we are going on scientific reports that say there is a danger to the Volusian environment and are acting accordingly.

As for diplomatic overtures, we do not accept them because they would require a surrendering of our planetary right to enforce our own laws and to give in to the bullies of the New Trade Federation who demand their own views be universally accepted and adopted without question and without resistance. And when someone does resist, these illegal actions, they will go out and gang up on a single planet unable to fight back much like the old trade federation. The commission may not like the law but it -is- within our hereditary rights to determine which goods are allowed within our system and to enforce those laws in a legal court if necessary which we have done. We have done nothing wrong and will see to the people of Aeeq that they will indeed be receiving goods despite this heinous action taken by this coalition of the willing and coerced.

We do not accept to hand our rights over to other planets as you seem to wish us to do Senator Cambrist and are willing to attempt to bully any planet who disagrees with you into submission.

Senator Ordan, The only lie before this chamber is that your Trade Federation is in favor of free trade. If you were, then you would not be putting forth ridiculous blockades of planets for no valid or moral reason. If anything your Federation presents an antithesis to free trade and beneficial planetary relations.

As I have said, we will not surrender our rights to enforce our own laws in our own space no matter how much you and your select voting block may try and force us to. We will not allow other worlds to dictate our own laws when we are perfectly capable of passing and enforcing them ourselves.

 
Senator_CambristDate: Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 11:35 AM | Message # 28
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Our "select voting bloc" of everyone but you, Senator? That's not very "select." Truly, Senator, are you even listening? I said nigh a moment ago that the scientific testimony is available to the public, and long has been. It was broadcast live, and millions of beings—many of them bored and lonely, I will admit—have seen it on the holonet. I said nigh a moment ago that the University of the Core has published its findings. You will find them in any book store on Volus, in a peer reviewed scientific journal. This is absolutely daft to say "I wasn't personally informed" of the overwhelming scientific consensus against your ridiculous secret ban on clothes. The letter clearly demonstrates that I brought this to your attention, and that I did so politely. It's not my job to buy a magazine for you or turn on your holonet. If you had any interest in finding out, after I had brought it to your attention, you could have.

And what is this about "refusing to surrender your rights"? We're talking about releasing a crew that you have unjustly convicted, in violation of their rights. Senators, the conduct of Volus in this incident is unacceptable, and the conduct of its Senator is embarrassing and unacceptable. This brazen slander, intended simply to shelter the Senator's manful ego from the indignant protests of everyone, must not be tolerated in this respected chamber. It is conduct unbecoming of a Senator, and I suggest that one of my colleagues propose a censure of Crin Star, lest I will. This censure should include a suspension if necessary, and a removal of the Senator from all committee positions.




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Artemis_VandenDate: Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 5:31 PM | Message # 29
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Please, Senators, let us bring down the temperature here. The lives of two men and the livelihoods of tens of thousands are indeed in the balance, and these people deserve a calm and considerate debate. Let us not use terms like "secret law," that misrepresent the facts of this case. Volus passed a law. Yes, it did so based on bad information, and yes, it hadn't disseminated the new law as well as it could have, and should have. There is, however, a legal principle; ignorantia legis neminem excusa ("ignorance of the law excuses no one"). It is an ancient principle that all courts uphold, and it is a necessary one. On this basis, Volus was quite right to convict the crew of this ship, and let no one dispute this.

Now, yes, these are unique circumstances. The law had not been disseminated and there was little or no way the crew of this ship could have known about it, especially with no communications in hyperspace. The answer here, clearly, is for Volus to convict the crew and then pardon them, and return the ship and its cargo to Vjun. I desire to see a peaceful resolution to this, that does not necessitate a blockade of a world that has nothing to do with the dispute. I see no reason why Volus cannot do as I suggest. It has done no wrong, and it would do no wrong if it pardoned this crew and, thus, averted misfortune for the people of Aeeq.

I do not support this blockade, because two wrongs do not make a right. But one wrong isn't right, either, but in this case it can be made right.


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RonsardEntrenteDate: Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 7:57 PM | Message # 30
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Senator Star, your stubbornness borders on treason to the Imperial throne! "we do not accept them because they would require a surrendering of our planetary right to enforce our own laws " What about the laws of the Empire? What about the illegality of unilaterally impounding a trade vessel under flimsy grounds. A trade vessel that traveled through Imperial space to arrive at its final destination, which makes it subject to Imperial law over any local jurisdictions. Perhaps, Senator Star, if you were not so caught up in preserving the false honor you hold in this case, you would be able to compromise in this case before the Imperial fleet must intervene on your planet's behalf.

As the ranking member of the Commerce Committee, I fully endorse Senator Cambrist's magnanimous request that Volus ends this silly stalemate by releasing the impounded trade ship. Commenor also fully supports the blockade against Aeeq until this issue has been resolved. I will also be instructing the Commenor parliament to temporarily freeze Volus' credit line with the Bank of Commenor. I hope these drastic, yet necessary, measures will bring some sense and compassion to the Volusian senator's thinking.


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