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Hapan Trade Equality Act
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:38 AM | Message # 16 |
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| I suggest all Senators consider their words before making any further comment on this debate.
Verence Terrawin
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:01 AM | Message # 17 |
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| I don't think imposing minor trade sanctions will provoke a war. Silly idea really.
I think the question is, do we want Imperial resources flowing into the Hapes Cluster, untaxed?
Do we want Hapan Citizens in Imperial Space without visas when we have no idea what agenda they might be following.
I follow Senator Terrawin's wise words, Senators Ryuun, Ordan and Cerra should temper their words a little and consider what is best for the Empire.
In order to address a concern of Senator Ryuun's, I propose the following amendment.
"8. All funds raised by this act will be added to the budget of the Imperial Department of Military Research"
This way we will stimulate futher research and development of strategies and arms to protect us from any possible aggressor and also help stem the flow of Imperial Resources into the Hapes Cluster.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:02 AM | Message # 18 |
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| Quite to the contrary, imposing trade sanctions to the Hapes Consortium is likely to increase a chance of tensions between the Galactic Empire and the Hapan Consortium. Those that were defeated at Parein II were not a part of the Consortium. They were their own government, their own people. I understand the deaths at Parein II were a tragedy, but there is no reason to blame this upon the Hapans that weren't on Parein II. Again, imposing trade sanctions is only going to increase a chance of entering a war with one that may be an organized and efficient force.
They were isolated for so long. That could mean only one thing. They can take care of themselves. If we undermine them, we would only suffer losses far worse than those at Parein II. I would suggest we open talks with the Hapan government, and clear any of our misunderstandings. Otherwise, Telos IV votes against Hapan trade sanctions.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:09 AM | Message # 19 |
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| I am willing to include Senator Oriel's amendment for the sake of being polite.
I think it is wrong to consider these "Sanctions" (in the punitive sense) they are simply an act clarifying the fact that the Empire should welcome trade from Hapes, but should limit and tax what flows back into the Hapes Cluster.
Senator Fowlkes, would you have the Hapan Mind Control guns be legal?
Do you think its right our resources can pour into their worlds when their traders do not pay the import taxes our traders pay?
Why give the Hapans an advantage over loyal Imperial companies?
Read the act and you will see it is not an act designed to hurt the Hapes Cluster's people, but simply to make them play by the same rules as our own citizens, isnt that the fair way to go about things?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 9:37 AM | Message # 20 |
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| Empress Teta votes in favor of this resolution.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 9:58 AM | Message # 21 |
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| I did not say the Hapans should have an advantage over our own citizens. I certainly did not say it was right to trade with them without having any taxes, which certainly wouldn't be fair to our own traders. But to discourage Hapan transactions at all is entirely a different thing. If their government had seen the name of the bill you had proposed here, they would consider that a hostile act. With that knowledge in place, along with the actions taken at Parein II, they would piece the puzzles together and assume the worst from us.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 10:01 AM | Message # 22 |
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| Perhaps if I changed the name so it was clear it was not intended to be aggressive? "The Hapan Trade Equality Act" or similar?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 4:18 PM | Message # 23 |
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| I think that a name change would be appropriate, Senator Ordan. Not that your first name was horrible. Chandrila will vote in favor, if only to keep the Hapan Guns of Command that you mentioned earlier out of the wrong hands. That seems like an entirely too dangerous weapon to have floating about in black markets.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 4:19 PM | Message # 24 |
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| I entirely agree. Pending the Chair's approval I will amend the name of the bill.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 6:53 PM | Message # 25 |
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| So ordered, the name of the measure has been changed.
Sate Pestage
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 9:52 PM | Message # 26 |
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| These trade restrictions are sensible even without the incident at Parein II to demonstrate the sensibility of them. The Commerce Committee endorses the measure, though it does have concerns (as have I); namely, the enforcement of Article 3 could be so difficult as to be prohibitively so, and Article 6 might be amended to require the registration of so called "Rainbow Gems" at such time that they're sold, or referenced in any legal documents such as wills, tax forms, etc. This would ultimately accomplish what Article 6 intends without the requirement to register these "Gems" being too onerous.
The Commerce Committee does not insist on an amendment to this effect as a condition of its endorsement, but personally I shall withhold my vote until I've heard Senator Ordan's thoughts on these two points.
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Monday, 05 Sep 2011, 8:27 AM | Message # 27 |
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| Well naturally, so long as they have a provenance they would be allowed under this act. The sole intention is to prevent the importation of these items (which as you will agree have the potential to devalue currency markets). As for the requirement to register these gems being too onerous, one of these gems is "valued" (although I see no value in them myself) at a credit value which could purchase a large star liner, we require the registration of star liners, I see no reason to not require registration for the trade of these equally high "value" gems.
The act only imposes the requirement at any rate when they are traded, so there is no law against possessing these gems without paperwork (unless dealing or importing them).
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2011, 8:57 PM | Message # 28 |
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| This is quite satisfactory, Senator. I thank you for the explanation and I do indeed vote in favor.
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Wednesday, 14 Sep 2011, 8:26 PM | Message # 29 |
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| Does Telos IV intend to change its vote now that the bill has been amended?
Sate Pestage
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Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Wednesday, 14 Sep 2011, 8:55 PM | Message # 30 |
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| Yes, Grand Vizier. Telos IV changes our vote to in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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