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Censure of Senator Ryuun
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:29 AM | Message # 1 |
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| I propose the Senator is censured officially for his unpatriotic comments which are likely to spread alarm and despondency within the Empire and could easily amount to sedition in his recent speech where he cast doubt on the ability of the Imperial Military to address any and all threats to our security.
"we do not know if we are prepared to face a war with the Consortium." - Casting doubt on Imperial Naval abilities.
"Separatist remnants who still possess weapons capable of subjugating a planet and terrorists plague us." - Use of plague, implying a few minor incidents and renegades in a Galaxy of millions of worlds equates to a plague.
"We need to ensure our home front is secure fully" - Implying the Empire is not substantially secure.
These are words which strike at the very root of us! We live in an Empire built on the basis of the common protection, and Senator Ryuun's cowardly, mewling assessment of the security situation is not one which we can allow to stand. The Empire is safe, and I will hear no talk of "plagues of terrorists and separatists".
The Empire stands secure, protected by the Imperial Starfleet, in which I express my supreme confidence.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:33 AM | Message # 2 |
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| You are attempting to discredit and hush anyone who does not agree with you or raises questions during a debate. If Senator Ryuun gets censured it is because of one man's insecurities. We should be able to question the state and readiness of our government and military. Garos IV votes AGAINST this motion to censure the Senator from Druckenwell.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:37 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Before I cast my vote here, would Senator Ryuun make a statement? If he recants and requests his comments be stripped from the record I will be inclined to ask Senator Ordan to drop the matter or vote against. If he will not reconsider the inappropriateness of such negativity I may be forced to vote the other way.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:39 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I counter your argument, Ordan. I shall not address you as a slavering dog, but as a human being, and a peer of mine in this fine Imperial Senate.
"We do not know if we are prepared to face a war with the Consortium." You call this doubt on Imperial naval abilities? Is that your thin pretext for an attempted censure? Tell me, Ordan, do we know the strength of the Consortium fleet? Do we have an estimated number of weapons and soldiers they can bring to bear? I do not believe so. Until we have some form of scouting, of counting and assessing a possible enemy strength or even weaknesses, I would say we are ill-prepared to face a war. To jump in without preparation is to invite needless deaths.
"Separatist remnants who still possess weapons capable of subjugating a planet and terrorists plague us." I was not aware the use of the word 'plague' required express permission to use. Minor incidents and renegades can always grow larger and more consuming. The smallest of deadly and rapid-spreading diseases can be carried by womp rats, Ordan. I note you do not deny that weapons capable of subjugating a planet are not owned by Separatist remnants and as such, my remark still stands.
"We need to ensure our home front is secure fully." Ordan, do you not pay attention to details? Moff Geoff Cole smashed a rebellious base of operation within the Abrion Sector that nobody had known about, largely because the world lacked a solid Imperial presence. Mid-Rim and Outer Rim are still fronts of the Empire, Ordan, and until crime and piracy and arms-dealers are stamped out, we will have rebellious groups continuing to be supplied. It is a constant effort and to remain vigilant is hardly a crime. So yes, we must ensure our home front is constantly and fully secure.
Ordan, all of us have faith in the Imperial Starfleet. Yet, if an assassin creeps into your chamber at night, it is not the Starfleet that will save you; it is the soldiers who guard us and fight for us to keep us safe. Just because Anaxes is such a jewel of the Empire and has seen little trouble is hardly reason to belittle those that must fight daily to keep their people safe. If anything, they take more action than you, whereas you simply sit and ride your reputation in the Clone Wars. You may call me cowardly and mewling, but I say you are blind and arrogant.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:16 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Tell me, Senator Ordan, is there anything wrong in any of us expressing our opinions on several subjects? Just because we say something that doesn't go to your accordance doesn't mean it is an act of sedition. It doesn't mean an act of rebellion. Unless there is any proof that Senator Ryuun's words would harm our Imperial citizens, Telos IV votes against the Censure of Senator Ryuun.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:17 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Before further comment I would like to ask the Chamber to hear the Chair's comment and his opinion with regards to the atrocious words even now being spoken by Senator Ryuun.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 6:13 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Senator Ryuun's explanation is satisfactory to me. I'm confident that the Empire would prevail in a conflict with the handful of systems known as the Hapes Cluster, but the loss of life could be significant without adequate intelligence, which is something the Empire concedes it doesn't have. As for the Senator's "plague of Separatists" comments, I would remind the Senate that the Emperor proclaimed the decisive defeat of the Separatists some years ago and one might suppose, thus, that a single one of them could be considered a "plague" in relative terms. Moreover, however, we are constantly told that the threat of Separatists, Jedi, and "rebels" justifies the expenditure of trillions of credits on defense while, simultaneously, we're told these Separatists, Jedi, and "rebels" represent no danger to us. I cannot blame Senator Ryuun for his confusion on this matter. I vote against his censure.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Wednesday, 14 Sep 2011, 8:08 PM | Message # 8 |
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| The chair is opposed to alarmism in so public a forum as the Senate, and while it is indeed true that the threat of Separatists and, yes, Jedi and other terrorists has the potential to surface without the vigilance of the Empire, the Senate should object to the insinuation that the Empire is not vigilant—it is, as the decade of relative peace since the conclusion of the Clone Wars has demonstrated. On a momentous day a decade ago, the Empire was declared here in this Senate; I invite Senator Fitzgerald to compare the day before it to any day since and tell us which day he considers the more peaceful and prosperous. This thought experiment should be enough to refute the nonsense he's uttered on this subject—nonsense that I caution him to keep out of this public forum, as indeed I caution Senator Ryuun to observe more care with his words, too (mild though they are in comparison to the Senator from Ralltiir).
If there are no further votes on the measure, it appears to be defeated with 25% in favor and 75% opposed.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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