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Question to the Cronese Mandate
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 9:08 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Senator,
I challenge you, rumors have circulated that the Cronese Mandate is in possession of a vessel illegal under the Capital Vessels Act (a Munificent-class Star Frigate). I call upon you to answer these allegations. I for one hope this is not true, but it will be very revealing if it transpires to be so.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 9:41 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Oriel,
If you look closely the Cronese Mandate is not a planet, nor does it field a "Planetary Fleet" it fields a "Sector Fleet" as the Cronese Mandate is an independent sector, that holds an independent defense fleet, with Imperial officers stationed on each ship, as well as an Imperial Defense force that is based in the Mandate. As your bill retains to Planetary Fleets, and private ownership, the Sector Fleet of the Cronese Mandate is unaffected by your Capital Vessel Act.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 9:54 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Zarcaine,
This is most revealing. I thank you for the answer.
I would like to ask the Chair if he feels that in the light of the Independent Sector Fleet Protection act's failure if it is the position of the chair that "Independent Sectors" should be treated as Planets with regard to legislation?
If not, I feel that it risks creating a "two tier" senate. What right would say, Senator Zarcaine have to vote on the Capital Vessels Act I when it is an act which does not effect his world?
I mean by this logic, if coalitions of planets are not treated in the same manner as planets, then we are in a sad sorry state of affairs which treatens the tenability of the Empire.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 9:59 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Senator Oriel, I caution you with your words of questioning about the Cronese Mandate. It was in effect created by the Empire when the Empire create three Sectors from the Tion Cluster. You are in effect questioning the decision of the Emperor and the Empire that created the Cronese Mandate in the first place. I would hate to see anything happen to you from openly speaking such words of rebellion as to challenge the validity of the decisions made in allowing the Cronese Mandate to remain a Sector and allowing it to have proper representation with in the Senate.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 10:44 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I do not question the Cronese Mandate's existence, I question its "Independence". I believe it would be much more likely to result in good government and equality if the Sector as a whole was patrolled by an Imperial Sector fleet instead of a rag tag bunch of Separatist ships.
Bernard Oriel
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 11:23 AM | Message # 6 |
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| You question the same independence that the Emperor and Empire saw fit to allow us, and I can assure you that the ships that patrol the Cronese Mandate have been approved of by the Empire. I did not realize though that the Nebulon-B Frigates that are part of our fleet can be considered "rag tag Separatist ships." I dont remember ever seeing the Separatist field a Neb-B Frigate in the heat of battle.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 11:29 AM | Message # 7 |
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| May I express how impressed I am that you have one vessel which is not a Separatist one.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 11:33 AM | Message # 8 |
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| May I express how amazed I am that you have the general ability to assume that because one vessel has been marked as Separatist and is in a fleet that you consider the entire fleet to be "Separatist"
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 11:36 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Either way. The Imperial Starfleet is much better suited to the role than your rabble of a milita!
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 11:39 AM | Message # 10 |
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| The same Imperial Starfleet that has officers aboard the Cronese Mandate Fleet, and have also approved of the ships that are in service to Cronese Mandate.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 11:43 AM | Message # 11 |
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| By what regulation do you have Imperial Officers aboard? The political officers act (according to your logic) does not apply to you?
I sure as anything would not want to be on your rickety old Separatist vessel, I would nominate the man for a Citation of Honour for serving there!
You are telling me the Imperial Navy has explicitly stated its approval of your fleet?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 10:28 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Whether standing regulations on "planetary fleets" apply or should apply to "sector fleets" is a distinction that does not unduly concern His Majesty and one which he leaves to the Senate to determine. It seems to me that the distinction is largely semantic one; in either case, the Cronese Mandate's fleet is subject to Imperial supervision and guidance in a manner not dissimilar to planetary fleets. The difference is simply its scale. Perhaps this should be codified in law, perhaps not. But it doesn't seem that Senator Kuriyoshi is arguing that his fleet cannot be subject to any regulations on account of its Imperial mandate—there is nothing particularly sacred about the mandate and it can be amended if the Imperial Senate desires regulations on Cronese ships of the sort Senator Oriel is advocating (indeed, there's nothing seditious about arguing for a minor amendment to the mandate in this regard). This, again, is something His Majesty will leave to the discretion of the Senate, though in making this decision I would encourage the Senate to seek the counsel of the Defense Committee in this matter.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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