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Closing Loopholes Act
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 10:07 AM | Message # 1 |
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| It seems that "Independent" Sector Fleets being independently operated of the Imperial Government are abusing their position by equipping themselves with vessels that no individual planet in the Sector could possess.
Thus I propose the following Act
Closing Loopholes Act
All Members of the Empire are with regards to defense legislation equal (unless legislation states explicitly that the intention is not for this to be so).
All Legislation when referring to Planets of the Empire (or related terms, Members etc) shall be considered to apply to all Planets of the Empire, Coalitions, Alliances, "Sector Fleets" (when not operated by the Empire) or any such similar collection of worlds using or not using any of the following terms to define their common defense "accord, affiliation, affinity, betrothal, bond, coalition, coherence, collaboration, collusion, combination, communion, compact, concord, concurrence, confederacy, confederation, congruity, conjunction, connection, consanguinity, cooperation, engagement, entente, federation, fraternization, friendship, interrelation, kinship, league, marriage, mutuality, pact, participation, partnership, relation, support, tie, treaty, union"
All members of the Empire are to be considered equal in terms of enforcement of all legislation, unless said legislation specifically states it is not intended to apply to all Members of the Empire or stating that it is intended to apply only to a specific world, the chair shall use discretion to consider the scope of acts.
Acts labeled for all "Planetary" matters should be considered to apply to all "Member" matters.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 12:54 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I endorse this act. I vote in favour. Too few acts of legislation have we seen entrenching equality in the Empire.
Enough of this patent nonsense about the Cronese Mandate being ordered by the Emperor.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Friday, 23 Sep 2011, 12:59 PM | Message # 3 |
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| No offense to Senator Oriel, but I rarely see equality being promoted in the Empire. However, before Telos IV votes on this matter, I would like to hear more about this proposal from Senator Oriel.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 23 Sep 2011, 5:07 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Quite simply Senator Fowlkes, it makes us all Equal. All laws will now apply to all Members.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Friday, 23 Sep 2011, 8:43 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Perhaps, rather than writing a bill which covers simplistic mistakes of junior legislators, perhaps members of the Senate could spend a bit more time on their legislation and write them in a better, and more logical, manner? All Imperials laws apply to all members, Senator Oriel; but only if the text of the law makes it so. If one is writing so many laws filled with so many loopholes, perhaps one should consider taking their time in crafting their legislation to ensure such mistakes do not become abuses, and such mistakes do not distract others from their duties nor waste their time.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Saturday, 24 Sep 2011, 5:07 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Veritas,
I would like to thank Senator Veritas for his insult to myself, it is (in the circumstances) correct as I do appear to have made a few mistakes in the past (as have other Senators), I will be sure to (in future) make moves to prevent such mistakes happening now that I see certain members using loopholes to commit breaches of
It should also be noted that as regards one big example (the Capital Vessels Act 1), Senator Veritas and his committee have failed to inform me of the loophole (when scrutinising the legislation they were only concerned with expressing their lack of support - not giving useful advice).
I propose to you that in future, yes, all Senators must be careful to make sure their law has the correct scope. However, that is no reason to (as you are apparently doing) attack this motion which fixes a lot of problems in old legislation.
Senator Veritas is one of the older Senators in the chamber, and I wonder if his age and lack of positive legislative activity is a sign that he will simply oppose anything new or improving for the Empire and that he will just attack any who attempt to do so due to his own (mysterious) prejudice against myself and other active Senators.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Tuesday, 27 Sep 2011, 3:27 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Senator Oriel, it is highly inappropriate of you to make remarks on the age of one of our more distinguished Senators, especially when you are proposing a bill that supposedly promotes equality between everyone? Or does that only apply to your Capital Ships Act?
Either way, this seems like a frivolous waste of time and should be addressed as such. The issue that some have against one sectors fleet does not warrant the need for a completely separate bill. Chandrila votes very firmly against.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 28 Sep 2011, 4:26 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Senator Thanatos - you seem to be confused - this act would apply to a wide range of legislation and would help protect us from the worse excesses of inequality in the Empire.
I am shocked you attack a piece of legislation to promote equality - do you think some members should be more equal than others?
In what manner is it frivolous?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Thursday, 06 Oct 2011, 8:10 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Is there any further comment on this? Questions have been posed to Senator Thanatos, and both Senators Fowlkes and Veritas have commented on the bill but seem not to have voted. Do they intend to vote? I'd rather not see this measure doomed to obscurity because of the distraction of the capital ships debate.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 6:37 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Against.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 6:50 PM | Message # 11 |
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| It bothers me how you seem to twist words, Senator Oriel. Please review what was truly said.
Grand Vizier, Chandrila did vote. Against.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 7:08 PM | Message # 12 |
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| What!? Please explain how this is not an act for equality Senator Thanatos?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 7:12 PM | Message # 13 |
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| How would this impact the Corporate Sector and other semi-autonomous Imperial regions that simply aren't intended to be regulated in the same manner as Imperial worlds? Senator Oriel makes a spirited case but I remain concerned that this measure paints with too broad a brush, that some regulations are intended for planets and cannot be equably applied to large semi-autonomous regions comprising many planets, like the Corporate Sector, which has generally not been subjected to regulations of this sort and, I would suggest, is not intended to be. Would it not be more prudent to propose a package of amendments to specific laws that you think should be amended in this way? I feel this measure is simply too ambitious and I am compelled to vote against it.
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 7:17 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Accordingly this act is withdrawn as it appears to lack support.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 8:16 PM | Message # 15 |
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| So ordered, the bill is withdrawn.
Sate Pestage
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Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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