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Unprovoked Attack on Dantooine
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 5:07 PM | Message # 16 |
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| So the Grand Vizier backed your action? Or did he simply express neutrality?
A question for the Chair, does this attack have the explicit approval or support of the ruling council?
Forcing a world under your "protectorship" is an illegitimate act of tyranny. Dantooine is a democracy and monarchical Deralia thinks to impose "law" and "protection" upon the locals without their consent. I am shocked and horrified this would happen in the Empire.
I stand firm in my commitment to the Dantooinian people, their rights and liberties must be considered to be of paramount importance. You never asked Dantooine to stop these "terrorists" then invaded them. You are punishing Dantooine's government for circumstances you had not made them aware of.. how bizarre is that?
It is not your job to enforce the law on Dantooine, that is the Dantooine Government, the Raioballo Sector Rangers and the Imperial Law Enforcement Authorities job.
I rather think this may be more to do with Deralia's lust for the massive food output of Dantooine, it would indeed improve your world's finances to control those resources wouldn't it Senator Veritas?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 5:13 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Gentlemen, before we jump to conclusions about Deralia's actions, let us consider what Senator Veritas has said so far. They have not fired any shots, not attempted to infringe upon anyone, nor detained anyone. I would cation Senator Veritas, that to land troops and conduct a manhunt for terrorists on Dantooine would be a breach of the planet's rights. While remaining in space, there is no issue, so long as no force is used.
Senator Veritas, my advice is to stand down and cooperate with the planetary authorities. Hire a bounty hunter even, but not to take a direct hand.
Toben Domon
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 5:25 PM | Message # 18 |
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| I disagree with your view of the law.
If I moved a battleship into orbit of Sluis Van and said I was "Protective authority".. how would you react? It is an act of war in itself.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 5:32 PM | Message # 19 |
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| The fact of the matter is that Dantooine has in it's orbit the following, a Venator-class Star Destroyer in which does not belong to Dantooine and having heard the message issued by the Admiral in charge of apparently 'bringing order to Dantooine,' I cannot take such an issue lightly. Therefore, the Venator is hereby ordered out of Dantooine's orbit within 12 hours. We cannot take this lightly and if the ship is not removed, I have no choice but to declare this an act of war upon Dantooine's sovereignty. I do not wish to have to watch a war break out before my eyes, gentlemen, however, I will have no choice given the fact that this resolution was not handled correctly by Senator Veritas' government. As for the Coalition sending ships to Dantooine, I remind you gentlemen, that they are there as designated Peace Keepers, and should an incident occur, to use your best judgement. Therefore, the Venator has 12 hours before the call is mine to make. I could declare this an act of war, but to do so hastily is not in my best interest or the interest of my people.
The Government of Deralia has been officially given my term, and you have 12 hours to call back your vessel of war.
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 5:37 PM | Message # 20 |
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| Very very generous Ray.
I would not give them twelve minutes, let alone hours if it was me!
Now I call to Deralia, tuck your tail between your legs and run.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 8:25 PM | Message # 21 |
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| It concerns me that accusations are being tossed back and forth so flippantly. While I worry for the safety of Dantooine and it's people, I trust that King Derailius meant no harm and this entire situation is a huge misunderstanding. I may not understand the nature of war, but, does a misunderstanding warrant the threat of such?
Sadly, it seems that some words are being twisted in order to fan the flames, so to speak, to spark and unnecessary war.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 8:39 PM | Message # 22 |
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| This isn't about "running," Senator Oriel, it's about reconsidering a decision that seems to have been made in haste and out of a desire for revenge. Someone, it seems, has wronged Deralia and murdered quite a few of its people in acts of terrorism. But intimidating the planet the terrorists happen to be from will do no justice for the dead. Indeed, this is a provocative action that will—indeed, has already—cause animosity between Dantooine and Deralia at a time when cooperation is what's needed.
It troubles me that Deralia seems to have made no attempt to cooperate with Dantooine in the apprehension of whatever terrorists might be on Dantooine. I didn't see whether Senator Veritas told us if he did or didn't contact Dantooine's government and ask them to apprehend the terrorists, but I assume from Senator Ray's understandable frustration that Deralia did not, in fact, do so. Considering this, and considering also that the Sector Rangers also seem not to have been notified, it is hard not to see this action as some sort of colonialist endeavor, and it squanders the support that the Senate might otherwise have had for Deralia as a result of the recent tragedy there.
It also troubles me that the chairman of the Planetary Defense Committee is defending so infamous a policy.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 0:26 AM | Message # 23 |
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| To answer Senator Oriel's question, the Ruling Council has consented to Deralia's combat operations at Dantooine but has no opinion of it aside from what I articulated to Senator Veritas at the time (see here, decrypt code "Dantooine").
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 1:15 PM | Message # 24 |
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| So Senator Veritas is really drawing out the truth to say "the Ruling Council" endorsed him. My reading of it is that they rightly didn't have an opinion either way.
Just as I don't care either way. I don't see why core worlders would.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 9:21 PM | Message # 25 |
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| I'm deeply troubled by some of the revelations I've found in the documents the Grand Vizier has provided to us, which appear to show Senator Veritas lying to us all about his motives at Dantooine. For example—
Quote (Titus_Veritas, in public) We are not at Dantooine to take over Dantooine or remove Senator Ray from power. Any statement otherwise is false, and I challenge the individual making such statement to point where my government or myself have said otherwise.
Quote (Titus_Veritas, in private) we are willing to remove the Khoonda Administration from power, and temporarily make Dantooine a part of the Kingdom of Deralia
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Quote (Titus_Veritas, in public) Now, I have no knowledge of any "black ops" occurring, as no Deralian forces have yet to set foot on Dantooine. If you have proof of such action, please... bring it forward, otherwise I would recommend that you refrain from making false claims that can inflame the situation.
Quote (Titus_Veritas, in private) We will begin this campaign through special operations, in attempt to keep this effort quiet, and hope that it does not become too much of a distraction. Should this be unsuccessful, we will proceed with a campaign of rapid domination with the full might of the Deralian military.
And Senators, this was before the terrorist attack on Deralia's moon. Clearly, Deralia had been planning this operation in advance of the terrorist attack. I'm deeply disturbed by this and wonder, now, if Senator Veritas has any credibility in this chamber.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Thursday, 17 Nov 2011, 10:33 PM | Message # 26 |
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| ((Unless I'm mistaken, but by the words within Pestage's post, I can only see his portion of said conversation being revealed, not Veritas' message))
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Friday, 18 Nov 2011, 0:21 AM | Message # 27 |
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| (( I had intended to declassify the whole exchange since I've assumed the Empire's consent to the use of force isn't worth much if it's not known to the public and what it's consenting to is half of that and thus must be known to the public too. I haven't understood any of the other notifications of the use of force to be classified either. On the other hand, I can see why requiring a public notice of covert operations is absurd. I'm not quite sure how to reconcile this—it seems to be an inadequacy in the notification law that needs to be remedied. ))
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 18 Nov 2011, 1:45 AM | Message # 28 |
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| We have all seen Deralia's intentions now in its true light. This is a simple land grab.
I think we can only offer the Deralians the ultimatum Ray offered, "12 hours or there will be action taken".
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 22 Nov 2011, 2:47 AM | Message # 29 |
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| I am glad to see Deralia bowed out to the action we were forced to take against it.
In future, do not threaten our trading partners.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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