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Grievance with Garos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 3:52 PM | Message # 1 |
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| After the alcoholic stupors and many scandals and censures of Janar Cerra for her violent outbursts, aggressive statements and now defense of invasion, we do not believe her to be a suitable ruler of Garos IV. The people of Garos IV deserve much much better.
So in order to recognize the need of worlds to "spread out a bit" as asserted by Janar Cerra.
Quote (Janar_Cerra) Deralia did nothing wrong. It was simply stretching out a bit. I am sure we can all appreciate the need for more room, especially when spending so much time in these cramp little pods for hours and hours. Honestly, most are probably upset because Deralia dared to do what most of you wish to do, invade a nearby planet, over throw its government so that you can rule it in whatever way you see fit. Who here does not dream of making a small empire of their own that is loyal to the much larger and grander Galactic Empire?
In order to bring good governance to Garos IV, protect it's people and give space for Anaxes to "stretch out" into, we would like to signal our intention to annex Garos IV to make it a Self Administering Territory of the Republic of the Axum System, citizens would be given the right to administrate their own system of Government on the basis of democratic principles, replacing the corrupt and decadent monarchy which exists there.
I should hasten to add this is note a vote or a motion, just a statement of intention, and likewise we will be filing the same with the Ruling Council. We have no plans to conduct special forces raids or any other form of illegal campaign, simply to move ships into the system in one week's time in order to dethrone the corrupt and decadent monarchy of Queen Janar and input a just government, by the people, for the people.
We wish to give fair notice in this respect so the Garos IV monarchy has time to gather it's forces and allies if it wishes to contest our operation militarily, we warn that any attempt to do so will result in the use of force. We are sad to have to take this step, but now Senator Cerra has endorsed corruption in addition to all her other faults, we feel that we have no other logical course of action left available.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 4:00 PM | Message # 2 |
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| If Anaxes requires aid, Acherin will support this measurement in anyway possible!
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 4:18 PM | Message # 3 |
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| You are welcome to come along old boy, Anaxes has nothing to hide here, just wishing to free the people of Garos IV from tyranny.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 5:40 PM | Message # 4 |
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| If allowed, I would like to speak for Senator/Queen Cerra here. Garos IV is not a monarchy, but rather a constitutional monarchy. She got elected by the Garosians because they believe she is the most qualified candidate to run the planet. Senator Ordan, you say you want to bring good governance to Garos IV. I believe the planet has already established that. We all are aware that the Republic has gone and the Empire has rose to take its place, but are we so far along that we won't allow the freedom of speech? Also, her behaviors outside the Senate should not have much of an impact in the Senate. Human High Culture did not mention that we have to be perfect. Believe me when I say this, no one is perfect.
I am sure some of us within the Senate has something in the past that brings out the worst in us. That doesn't mean every single one of us should be leaving. I believe Senator Cerra has the quality that most of us do not have: determination and fearlessness of being very open-minded. I enjoy the fact that in face of possible backlashes, she has the courage to say whatever's on her mind. A lot of Senators and Representatives may not like what she had to say, but she does it because that is truly the principles of democracy. To be able to speak without the fear of political backlash in effort to stand up for the best interests in the citizens of the Galactic Empire. That is true democracy.
Now, I am not here to say that Deralia should be let off the hook. In fact, they should receive harsh punishments. However, the Garosian lady should not be punished for what she wanted to speak. We can't all be a "yes-man" or a "yes-woman", after all. Can we? Isn't what the Senate is for, to serve the best interests for the people?
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 5:43 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Is it in the best interests of her people to encourage people to corruption?
She has betrayed her people's trust. She has let them down and abandoned them.
She had endorsed the very actions I am taking with respect to Deralia - surely objecting to me doing the same to her would be hypocritical? Did you not see the quote she made? Endorsing the invasion of other worlds - surely her world is no exception?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 6:01 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I have done no such thing Senator Ordan. You take my words far too literal. Also do not say what I have done to my people. You do not know the minds nor hearts of the people of Garos IV.
Garos and myself pose no threat to anyone in this body and everyone knows it.
We have had our differences Ordan, but is that really a reason to pit the citizens of our planets and our allies planets against one another? It will only result in the lost of imperial lives. Do you want their blood on your hands? We are talking about imperial lives here. If Garos is attacked, she will be defended but let us not waste human life and valuable resources that could be used to further the cause of the Empire and not one mans vendetta against Garos' queen.
Garos will not be ruled by another system. I will continue ruling Garos until my people say it is time for me to go. As it is right now. I have the full backing of the Garosian Council and the people of Garos.
Please do not bring war upon us. Are you truly that threatened by me Senator Ordan?
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 6:09 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Senator Cerra,
I do not wish war, and if you repent your words in favour of wars of conquest, and apologise for being insensitive to the dead Dantooine soldiers and civilians who died because Deralia wanted to form an Empire, then I will happily withdraw my intention to act militarily against Garos IV.
As for blood being spilled - I think you should note that you had no problem with Deralians killing Dantooinians - how is this any different?
If you make a full apology for endorsing such state terrorism as Deralia committed, then I will reconsider the situation. If you will not make a full apology for endorsing Deralian slaughter of innocent Dantooinians then I am afraid myself and my allies will take the field against you to decide who is right.
Remember, turbolasers are the final argument of leaders.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 6:16 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Such barbaric actions are not final arguement of any true leader who cares for their people.
As for your demands I will do so, but I would like a sincere apology from yourself, Senator Ordan for all of the harsh words and criticism you throw at Garos and myself on what seems to be a daily basis.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 6:22 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I think you will find I have never criticized Garos IV, I don't know much about Garos IV, or even what Sector it is in - Why would I criticise Garos IV?
I have criticised you because I believe you are a bad leader who does not comport herself with the dignity and respect this Chamber deserves. Let's also note you are now saying "I won't spare my people from invasion until you stop criticising me".
You are just demonstrating the rectitude of my cause, you are genuinely an unsuitable candidate to be Senator, not because you are female, not because you are Queen, but because you have shown yourself unable at every turn to act in a dignified and parliamentary manner. This chamber has censured you for this in the past and you have been called to order numerous times for this.
You claim to be a voice for liberty, but endorse Deralia (a monarchy) invading Democratic Dantooine. You endorse the murder of innocent Dantooinians just so Deralius can build itself an Empire? This is honestly a disgusting sentiment - do you not have the moral backbone to see this? 36 Dantooinians lie dead because of Deralia's attempted expansion - how can this possibly be right?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 6:27 PM | Message # 10 |
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| By insulting myself you are insulting the people of Garos who stand behind me and support me. Without their support I would not be here. You are constantly taking jabs at my personal life, which much like Garos IV, you know nothing of.
I would like a sincere apology from you Senator Ordan, in past days you have constantly insulted me and by insulting me, you have insulted the ruling council of Garos, as well as the people of Garos.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 6:54 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Absolutely not.
I am happy to see this resolved by a test of strength.Added (19 Jan 2012, 6:54 PM)
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As we have seen an apology, I retract this. Let it serve a warning.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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