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A Resolution Condemning the Redistribution of Human Property
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 06 Feb 2012, 11:39 PM | Message # 1 |
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A Resolution Condemning the Redistribution of Human Property in the Sluis Sector
The Senate stands firmly against the seizure or forced redistribution of Human property in the Sluis Sector and condemns in advance any attempts of the "Khedive" of the Sluis Sector or any other nefarious interests in the Sector to do so. The Senate additionally declares that Humans of the Sluis Sector are just as entitled to the fruits of their labor as the Sluissi inhabitants of the Sector and that the Sluissis should be given no preference in the Sector's laws or leadership on the basis of their species.
I vote in favor.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 06 Feb 2012, 11:55 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Cambrist, you are ill informed. If you refer to the transcript of Khedive Thisst's speech, you will see there is nothing concerning any seizure or redistribution of human property in the Sluis Sector. As such, Druckenwell urges the Senate to remove this bill and spend time on the better ones proposed by Senator Cambrist. This strikes me as an attempt to discredit the Sluissi through falsehoods. Druckenwell votes against.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 06 Feb 2012, 11:59 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I'm casting no aspersions on "Khedive" Thisst or his motives. This resolution is simply intended as a statement, for this time as well as for all time, that the discrimination against Humans and the seizure or forced redistribution of their property is unacceptable. I challenge Senator Ryuun to point out what it is in the resolution he specifically disagrees with. That Humans are as entitled to their property as anyone else? That the law of the Sluis Sector should not preference the Sluissi over the Human? I know you better than that, Senator.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:04 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I challenge the fact that you have targeted the Sluis Sector and its Khedive, with whom you are in a dispute with over the Khedive's authority; I challenge the fact that your bill seems to draw from the misquotations of the rabble-rousing and incorrect 'Outer Rim Herald' which only prints what it wishes and avoids the facts. If, by some chance, the Khedive were to attempt to take human property, then this bill would be by far more legitimate. Instead, this seems to cast a bad light on the Sluissi and the Khedive and will only be the source of fear-mongering.
I have not seen or heard any attempts of Khedive Thisst to do so, so I would challenge you, Senator, to prove why this bill is necessary. As far as all know, the laws of the Sluis Sector treat humans and Sluissi as equals.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:23 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Why is it necessary to oppose the resolution, Senator? It is a statement of principles, nothing more—not an implication of "Khedive" Thisst or a reference to some misquotation or other. You are attributing these things to Thisst, not me. You're also attributing ulterior motives to me that I don't appreciate. This is a resolution that stands up against theft of Human property. If you, indeed any of you disagree with this, vote against the resolution. But I see no other reason than this to vote against it.
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 8:25 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Your statement of principles is more than a little offensive, Senator Cambrist. Perhaps if your beginning wording were to read, 'The Senate stands firmly against the seizure or forced redistribution of Human property in the any sector,' and then continue on to outline all sectors other than simply the Sluis Sector, I might be tempted to vote for this. As it stands, Sluis Van is firmly against.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 08 Feb 2012, 11:47 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Senator Domon, you're finding offense in this resolution where none is intended. And "finding" it implies you're looking for it. You could simply vote in favor of a strong statement against the theft of Human property in your Sector if you weren't so sensitive to this issue, but the fact that this sensitivity does exist in the Sluis Sector demonstrates why the resolution is necessary. It is directed at the Sluis Sector because, whether or not it's what you intend to do, the redistribution of Human property is a concern that many Humans in the Sector and many potential investors do have. The fact that the Senator of Sluis Van is opposing this resolution shows us that this concern isn't unreasonable.
I am frustrated with Sluis Van's repeated obstruction of every single attempt of Brentaal to resolve the Sluis Sector dispute peacefully.
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Thursday, 09 Feb 2012, 0:38 AM | Message # 8 |
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| In Favor
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire
General, Imperial Army (Ret.)
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Thursday, 09 Feb 2012, 0:59 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Such a practice is unacceptable, no matter the species. In Favor.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Friday, 10 Feb 2012, 12:59 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Empress Teta votes in favor.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Saturday, 11 Feb 2012, 2:19 PM | Message # 11 |
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| This would be better suited by covering all sentient species; not just humans. Senator Cambrist, your recent bills have been rather lacking in substance and only covering broad areas. Lorrd abstains from voting.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Saturday, 11 Feb 2012, 9:37 PM | Message # 12 |
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| It's beside the point that your recent proposals, Senator Lepkin, appear to be based on my own. But as it happens, my proposals are worded broadly so as to attract as much support as possible, and to offend no one who isn't deserving of offense (moreover, the great historical declarations of principle are invariably broad, so as to endure through the ages). If Senator Lepkin would like to devise a list of 20,000 or more sentient species, he is welcome to. My resolution deals with the Sluis Sector specifically, which is predominantly Sluissi and Human, and with Humans as the minority in the Sector they are the target of my concern and this resolution.
I'm grateful to the Senators who have supported this resolution for having done so.
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Sunday, 12 Feb 2012, 4:30 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Senator Cambrist, it seems you are overly concerned with the Sluis Sector as opposed to your own world or sector. As you say though, I am more than willing to comprise at least the start of a list, seeing as how you are unable or unwilling to do so. As it is for the moment, my vote will stand as it is.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 13 Feb 2012, 9:07 AM | Message # 14 |
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| The people of Brentaal have concerns in the Sluis Sector ("concerns" in a business sense of the word as well as concern for the state of affairs there). This resolution is in fact quite germane to the people of Brentaal, who own shares in companies in the Sluis Sector or depend on its trade or the tax revenue from Brentaali-owned property there. It's incorrect to say this resolution is "opposed" to the interests of Brentaal. Quite the contrary.
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Tuesday, 21 Feb 2012, 4:52 PM | Message # 15 |
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| The resolution passes with 67% in favor and 33% opposed.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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