|
A Bill Limiting the Free Movement of Droids
|
|
| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 06 Feb 2012, 11:46 PM | Message # 1 |
 Lieutenant general
Group: Users
Messages: 761
Status: Offline
|
A Bill Limiting the Free Movement of Droids
No droid shall operate in public unaccompanied by its owner unless on an errand for its owner or operating in accordance with its programming (i.e. loadlifters at work in a spaceport, cleaning or maintenance droids going about their services, etc.). A droid found to be or suspected to be operating in public without the knowledge of its owner, or in defiance its owner, shall be impounded and subject to deactivation and other forms of restraint, return to its owner if possible and, if not, A.) memory wipe and auction or B.) disassembly and destruction. Local law enforcement shall be empowered to enforce this law at its discretion.
I vote in favor.
|
| |
| |
| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 06 Feb 2012, 11:48 PM | Message # 2 |
 Lieutenant general
Group: Users
Messages: 696
Status: Offline
| I see no issue with the free movement of droids. Unless you can provide some form of reasoning, Senator, Druckenwell is against.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
|
| |
| |
| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:09 AM | Message # 3 |
|
Lieutenant general
Group: Users
Messages: 761
Status: Offline
| Droids are property, but with the unique ability to wander away from their owners. Just as we would hope that unattended property would be returned to its rightful owner, so too should droids be prevented from wandering free on the streets of their own volition. This bill reminds droids that they are built to serve a purpose, not to loaf about or partake in sentient society. They must not be at liberty to do as they please, because for droids there is no liberty.
|
| |
| |
| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:25 AM | Message # 4 |
 Colonel general
Group: Users
Messages: 881
Status: Offline
| You are afraid another batch of Separatists would rise again. I do not believe that to be the case and while they are not sentient beings, we still should treat them with respect. Telos IV votes against this proposal.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
|
| |
| |
| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 5:43 AM | Message # 5 |
 Colonel general
Group: Users
Messages: 891
Status: Offline
| Is this kind of concern not what restraining bolts are for, Senator? Chandrila agrees with Senators Ryuun and Fowlkes and votes against.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
|
| |
| |
| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 9:40 AM | Message # 6 |
 Major general
Group: Users
Messages: 338
Status: Offline
| Empress Teta votes in favor of this bill. Droid's don't have souls, Senators or true personalities. Its just programming.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
|
| |
| |
| Draken_Turot | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:22 PM | Message # 7 |
 Major general
Group: Users
Messages: 258
Status: Offline
| Droids are machines, not humans! Acherin is In Favor!
|
| |
| |
| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Thursday, 09 Feb 2012, 0:31 AM | Message # 8 |
 Lieutenant
Group: Users
Messages: 77
Status: Offline
| In Favor
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire
General, Imperial Army (Ret.)
|
| |
| |
| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Thursday, 09 Feb 2012, 0:55 AM | Message # 9 |
 Lieutenant colonel
Group: Users
Messages: 109
Status: Offline
| It's just programming, Senator volFyr. Which is why this strikes me as unnecessary. While I normally agree with Senator Cambrist, this is a rare case in which I must stand Against.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
|
| |
| |
| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Tuesday, 14 Feb 2012, 12:18 PM | Message # 10 |
 Colonel
Group: Users
Messages: 207
Status: Offline
| I view this as a waste of time; droids are not an issue at present, and have not been since the Clone Wars. Even so, those were battle droids and not the common household and labor droids we all have. I vote against.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
|
| |
| |
| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Friday, 17 Feb 2012, 7:28 PM | Message # 11 |
|
Lieutenant general
Group: Users
Messages: 761
Status: Offline
| Programming it is, Senator Aurelia, but most droids are programmed to be rational actors that are capable of understanding the consequences of actions and are thus able to form preferences by weighing the costs and benefits and perform the tasks their masters assign them to do intelligently and efficiently. But being able to form preferences also means a droid can prefer to escape its master, and this is unacceptable.
Most battle droids in the Clone Wars had rather rudimentary programming, Senator Lepkin. This isn't what my bill addresses. Most cases of missing droids are due to the droids running away of their own accord. It's a major economic burden, particularly to farms, ports and shipyards, and other businesses that rely on droids for labor. It is, in a sense, "self-theft" (were droids capable of a sense of "self," that is) and it is no more acceptable than any other form of larceny. Yet there are many worlds where droids can freely wander the streets with no one batting an eyelash or membrane. This I mean to change, and I hope the Senators who have voted against this will reconsider. I think they'll find, most likely, their Chambers of Commerce support this bill.
And Senator Thanatos, this is indeed what restraining bolts are for, just as padlocks and alarms prevent other sorts of theft. But we don't tell people who don't have padlocks or alarms that the theft of their property is their problem alone. It's society's problem.
Message edited by Senator_Cambrist - Friday, 17 Feb 2012, 7:30 PM |
| |
| |
| Slai-Fon | Date: Saturday, 18 Feb 2012, 11:09 AM | Message # 12 |
 Colonel
Group: Users
Messages: 160
Status: Offline
| The droid's these days aren't like they were back then. I see no reason to limit their movement. Most of them are already programmed to do something. Like Protocol droid's help translate languages. Medic Droid's don't do anything but stand around in the hospitals preforming diagnosis, giving Bacta injection and what ever else it is their are programmed to do.
I vote against.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
|
| |
| |
| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 21 Feb 2012, 6:58 PM | Message # 13 |
 Major general
Group: Users
Messages: 302
Status: Offline
| I think it's insensitive and cruel of Senator Cambrist to want to punish droids for doing what we program them to do, according to his logic. Whether you admit a droid is sentient or not, you did admit that droids are engineered to be sophisticated enough to have "preferences"—that is, to want things. And what can a thing want more than its life and liberty? The fact that droids are engineered as the Senator says they are makes this more cruel, not less.
I understand that not everyone agrees with me on this (on Naboo, many droids are considered people) but there's no reason we should be a Senate that punishes droids for wanting what any of us want. I vote against.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
|
| |
| |
| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 22 Feb 2012, 6:37 AM | Message # 14 |
|
Lieutenant general
Group: Users
Messages: 761
Status: Offline
| And children want all sorts of things, don't they? But in most societies they're not treated as legal "persons" in the same way an adult is and, for good reason, they don't get everything they want. This isn't being "cruel" to children—it's what's best for them and for society. It's a similar example, except that I value a Human child far more than a droid.
Senator Youngblood, I'm not sure what to say. I addressed all of your points already.
|
| |
| |
| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 27 Feb 2012, 10:20 PM | Message # 15 |
 Lieutenant general
Group: Moderators
Messages: 639
Status: Offline
| If there's no further discussion of this measure, I think we can agree it is defeated with 36% in favor and 64% opposed.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
|
| |
| |
