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A Condemnation of Monor II's Actions at Dantooine
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 09 Apr 2012, 9:34 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Druckenwell calls for an immediate condemnation of Monor II's use of military vessels at Dantooine, especially when the aforementioned vessels were the Monor II defensive fleet. As is evidenced here, Druckenwell cautioned Monor II about the use of armed vessels to make a point as opposed to fronting a bill in the Senate.
At this time, while I retain my status as Representative of Monor II, I do not nor have I ever held control over Monor II's military forces or political ideals.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Tuesday, 10 Apr 2012, 6:45 AM | Message # 2 |
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| While I back the Senator from Druckenwell in this effort. I do pose a question. Being a Representative of Monor II, I find it odd that while you represent the planet here in the Galactic Senate, that you do not have much say, Senator.
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 10 Apr 2012, 6:46 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I was under the impression Monor II did not have a formal military, rather, an armed priesthood?
Do we yet have evidence Monor II attacked Dantooine? Reports in the media seem to show them being fired on by the Imperial Starfleet after firing message canisters at Dantooine and broadcasting the same type of criticism of criticism of the fleet as can be levelled against te captain who attacked them. The charge of excessive use of force. I think if there are renegades, loose cannons, in the Imperial Starfleet, an institution I firmly believe in, then I call on the Emperor to rein them in.
Let it also be noted that the Imperial Captain here fired upon vessels containing the ruler of an Imperial Member world..
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 10 Apr 2012, 8:46 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I represent their interests in the votes I place, Senator Ray. The Monorian leadership had trusted that I will do whatever I can to ensure that, as their representative, they are included in the Senate and by that extent, are cared for. It is not my place to tell them how and when and where they may utilize their defensive vessels.
Senator Terrawin, I believe that an 'armed priesthood' might well be a better term in this case. While it is true that the Monorian vessels did indeed fire message canisters towards Dantooine, I can only suspect that the Imperial captain in question acted out of a spirit of defense. Whether or not he was in the right or the wrong is not my place to say; I was not present for the action.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 10 Apr 2012, 2:06 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Could you clarify if there was any communication between the Imperial and Monorian Vessels?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Tuesday, 10 Apr 2012, 3:31 PM | Message # 6 |
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| The chair will not abide Senator Terrawin's ignorant aspersions on the character and conduct of His Majesty's officers in defending the planet Dantooine from Monor II's crazed act of religious zealotry. Records and footage of the event clearly show Monor II's vessels ignoring entreaties from His Majesty's ships and firing projectiles on the planet. The Empire acted out of reasonable concern for the people of Dantooine, and to compare this to Monor II's bellicose statements—"Thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Dantooinians"—and the dispatch of its warships to Dantooine, and to say it is the Empire that acted in excess, is hateful and willful ignorance that won't be tolerated from Senator Terrawin or anyone else. You are warned.
The conduct of His Majesty's officers was exemplary. The more proper object of the Senate's indignation are the pratfalls of a world governed on religious precepts. Monor II's way of thinking and governing is very much a relic of the old order. It is no longer an object of amusement to be gawked at; it's increasingly apparent that it is dangerous and retarding and we must be rid of it.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 10 Apr 2012, 4:43 PM | Message # 7 |
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| According to the records broadcast to the Media, Monor II's vessels were broadcasting a message of peace as they were fired upon, and their projectiles were easily transparent to scans as message canisters. Can the Chair comment on this?
The Monorians appear to have acted in a manner which was yes, misguided. But let us remember these are one of the only worlds to unilaterally destroy the vast majority of their fleets firepower only months ago. These are beis committed not only in word but also in deed to peace. Now, I will agree that it may have been wise to intercept their projectiles (which I am lead to believe was an option), indeed I will even concede it may have been reasonable to prevent ingress towards Dantooine without permission, but these can be achieved without a firing a turbolaser. Are his majesty's vessels not armed with peaceful Tractor beams?
I am merely concerned that a captains first recourse was to his weapons batteries and not to the message broadcast alongside them. While I do not believe such actions are innately illegal, I do believe that moderation should always be the watchword for Imperial Servants, lest we have a repeat of previous actions committed by "renegade" Captains.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Tuesday, 10 Apr 2012, 5:36 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Statements from Monor II have been incoherent and inconsistent, and when life is in danger the Empire will assume the worst of its intentions, not the best. There will be no innocent lives lost to "moderation." Monor II's ships ignored the Empire's entreaties, and so the Empire responded in proportion to the perceived threat to Dantooine. There is no equivalence of blame here, Senator. And let us remember that another religious order, the Jedi, once presented themselves as the "guardians of peace" in this galaxy, until they declared themselves generals and attempted a coup.
The measure before us is a condemnation of Monor II. There will be no further discussion of the Imperial response at Dantooine.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 12 Apr 2012, 10:22 AM | Message # 9 |
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| I am as strongly in favor of this resolution as I am against every from of tyranny over the mind of man, including the mind-forged manacles of religion. I have nothing but disdain for the false consolations of religion, the greatest perpetrator of crimes against the dignity of man. Moreover, that an alien race is responsible for this is shocking, but not surprising.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 18 Apr 2012, 1:56 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I wish to state for the record that, in the course of talks with Priest-Prince Agapos IX, I was mistaken on a certain count. Monor II did indeed utilize their vessels, belonging to the religious group known as the Divine Fire, to attempt and I quote from the Priest-Prince, "to deliver peaceful propaganda to the Dantooinians and Dantari." Their vessels sent were not a military group but rather an armed priesthood. With the brief talks I've been having with the the Priest-Prince, I would like to revise my statement:
"Druckenwell calls for a condemnation of the method in which Monor II chose to deliver their religious propaganda and suggests that any world wishing to distribute propaganda of any sort not utilize armed vessels to distribute, whether peaceably intended not."
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 10:04 AM | Message # 11 |
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| I vote most wholeheartedly in Favour.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 23 Apr 2012, 1:01 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Senator Ryuun, you're making a semantic distinction that is trifling. The Monorian vessels sent to Dantooine were Monorian government vessels as far as the Empire is formally concerned. If this is not the case, the Empire has been misinformed, and the Representative of Monor II bears the responsibility for this. Moreover, if these vessels do not belong to the Monorian government but, rather, to some religious institution, the danger is far greater—there should exist no "armed priesthood" in possession of warships, and for precisely this reason. That Monorian government ships have fallen into the possession of this "priesthood" raises serious doubts about the credibility of the Monorian government, compromised as it clearly is with religious ideology.
Your amended statement is a feeble one, Senator Ryuun, and I advise against it.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 23 Apr 2012, 1:33 AM | Message # 13 |
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| As I have stated, Chairman Pestage, I have no control over their government, priesthood or military forces. I simply represent their interests and vote in the Senate. Nonetheless, if you advise against an altered statement, then I shall revert back to the original.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 6:50 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Empress Teta wholeheartedly votes in favor of this motion. We cannot abide such behavior, especially when it is driven by archaic zealotry.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 30 Apr 2012, 7:54 PM | Message # 15 |
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| This measure passes unanimously.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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