Prohibition of Private War and Protection of the Peace Act

Senator_Ordan

Date: Friday, 05 Oct 2012, 2:13 PM | Message # 16

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Do you mean legislation?

Would you support the act if it simply said

"No private company may wage a war against a Member Polity of the Empire"?

Senator Hubert Ordan
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LomenRyuun

Date: Friday, 05 Oct 2012, 2:55 PM | Message # 17

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Not precisely, Senator. May I ask why my particular vote is so important to you?

Lomen Ryuun
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Senator_Ordan

Date: Monday, 08 Oct 2012, 1:26 AM | Message # 18

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Your vote is inconsequential; however I did seek to expose your belief in Corporations having the right to conduct war against Imperial Member worlds in the open chamber of the Imperial Senate as well as your slimy disinclination to give frank and honest answers.

Eli_Fitzgerald

Date: Monday, 08 Oct 2012, 8:02 PM | Message # 19

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Would not the security forces of Vjun's nobles, indeed Vjun's fleet itself, qualify under this act as "private armies"? I mention Vjun here, but it's not the only Imperial world with privately-owned security forces pooled together for the common defense.

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Bernard_Oriel

Date: Monday, 08 Oct 2012, 8:25 PM | Message # 20

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No. If I may answer for Senator Ordan.

The vessels are not allowed to be deployed aside from in a Defensive role or as Transport without a vote of Parliament granting permission to do so. In the event they were deployed aggressively they would have had been instructed to do so by the Parliament of Vjun and would thus have been commandeered under Article 3 or made Privateers under my amendment (depending on the option chosen by the Parliament).

Incidentally, Vjun has it's own Corvette in addition to those of the most esteemed Houses of Vjun as of late. This Act does not preclude the amalgamation of private corporate forces with Planetary militaries. There is no reason a private company or personal security team couldn't be Reservists in the Planetary Defense Force of any given world, able to be called up at a moments notice.

Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
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Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate

Avram_Kirkwood

Date: Tuesday, 09 Oct 2012, 8:57 AM | Message # 21

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This is a piece of legislation which has the fault of simply going too far. I fear the repercussions of allowing the wholesale conscription of corporate or private forces wherever deemed necessary, and the potential blow-back this could create towards not only the Senate, but the Empire. Same goes for the demand that all corporations and private forces obey absolute neutrality. While this law allows for corporate security forces, in an utterly stunted fashion, to exist; this law will force any Private Military Company in the market today to go out of business.

This is not the Republic where anyone who grabs a few goons with guns off the streets can form a PMC to legitimize their mercenary work. This is the Empire, gentlemen. We have not let these companies wander freely; they have been vetted, checked, re-checked. We have forced them into regulation to ensure that only a professional and reputable business is taking place. Now we tell these people they can not even pursue their livelihoods? That these organic citizens of the Empire can no longer pursue their profession because a few idiots with a droid army went rogue? I do not mean to downplay the Clone Wars, but this is the exact scenario this bill is attempting to bring forth.

I don't understand the reasoning behind the ban of Disruptor weaponry which already exists in law. Additionally, Senator Ordan, perhaps you could clarify something for me. "More than 10 Tanks, Walkers or Battle-suits/powered armour with weaponry heavier than a blaster rifle in a 1 kilometre radius outside Government ownership." What exactly does this phrase mean? What is attempting to be accomplished here? Did you fall asleep while writing this portion, because this surely would not stand up to legal contest.

When I first read this legislation, I simply saw over-regulation and an attempt to over-reach upon the private sector. Now, however, at closer review, I see a disjoint, unorganized, and at times rambling piece of legislation that would most likely be struck down by the courts were it to pass.

Do corporations have the right to wage war on planets? No, of course not, the legislation in the aftermath of the Clone Wars clearly established this. The nationalization of the assets of all Separatist entities, and the elimination of those corporations, with exception to the IGBC for an still unknown reason, made it known what the penalty for such action is. However, military companies still have the right to exist and provide their services. Planets have the rights to enlist these companies where needed, and those companies have a right to be capable of providing competent and meaningful services to these governments. My vote remains as submitted.

The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire

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Senator_Ordan

Date: Tuesday, 09 Oct 2012, 12:02 PM | Message # 22

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Senator Kirkwood. Worlds already are allowed to conscript their citizens and commandeer their vessels - there is no Imperial law stopping this.

The line you mention simply says having more than 10 pieces of heavy weaponary deployed militarily in any given area 1000m in radius in the hands of a private army should be forbidden, this prevents armoured advances or attacks by private companies.

You're a very impolite young Gentleman Senator Kirkwood, and I would caution you to mind you keep your tongue parliamentary in future.

LomenRyuun

Date: Wednesday, 10 Oct 2012, 10:45 AM | Message # 23

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Don't try and put words in my mouth, Ordan, and spit your venom elsewhere. I have never stated that I believe corporations may wage war against the Empire. I simply believe this bill could use quite a bit of work. As I've mentioned, there are parts that need working out. The point brought up by Senator Kirkwood is a valid one and your reasoning is hardly adequate to allow for it.

My vote will stand, and if need be, I will either propose amendments or I shall write a different piece of legislature to assist this.

Draken_Turot

Date: Thursday, 11 Oct 2012, 4:52 PM | Message # 24

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The mistakes of the galaxy will NOT be repeated again!!! Acherin votes IN FAVOR!!!!

Senator_Ordan

Date: Thursday, 11 Oct 2012, 4:54 PM | Message # 25

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I can see you are aiming to join Senator Kirkwood aiming for the target of being the least Parliamentary Senator! I simply see a certain degree of doubt hanging over you perhaps advocating the interests of your world (perhaps Kirkwoods constituency too) and it's military industrial complex (which was an enthusiastic member of the Trade Federation - which invaded Naboo), perhaps even unintentionally so, over the Interests of the wider Empire.

I realize you and Senator Kirkwood may be personal friends, and share interests in common perhaps? Both originating from worlds that produce arms. Well, you know what Senator Ryuun? I think your kneejerk reaction here is representative of an error in judgement.

My world isn't one which makes weapons Senator Ryuun, it's one that is adept in the use of weapons, and it is us, the victors who stood in the vanguard of the fleets of our state during the Clone Wars. We are perhaps what you might call a warrior culture (although we would prefer Officer culture, as more befitting of our civilizational level), and it is us that seeks to prevent worlds coming under the jack-boot of corporations. It is not Anaxes that has to fear from petty corporate militaries, it's you Senator Ryuun, It's the Cygnus Star Empire, It's Dantooine, It's every small world.

I love this Empire, Senator Ryuun, and I won't see the awful and bloody wars of the past be revisited upon the next generation. In the name of humanity, bitterly torn
In the name of our children as yet to be born, I urge you think again (and indeed again and again) before effectively voting to sanction Private Company Sovereignty, which would make a mockery of everything we stand for.

I invite amendment; I'm open to new ideas (as you know from having made laws with you in the past) and would welcome amendment rather than the sort of unseemly and illogical veto which you seem to be intent on giving a motion designed from the ground up to protect the Empire and it's citizens. I've gone so far as to remove the clause found so obectionable by Senator Kirkwood, so let us have a civil debate and let you propose your amendments!

Sate_Pestage

Date: Thursday, 18 Oct 2012, 12:36 PM | Message # 26

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It would appear that the critics of the measure have nothing more to add, and, presumably, that Senator Ryuun intends to address these criticisms of him before the Ethics Committee. In the meantime, are there any additional votes, Senators?

Sate Pestage
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Roman_Lekpin

Date: Thursday, 18 Oct 2012, 4:33 PM | Message # 27

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Lorrd votes against this measure.

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Date: Saturday, 27 Oct 2012, 3:05 PM | Message # 28

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Senator Lekpin. Please explain your issues with the act?

Bernard_Oriel

Date: Saturday, 27 Oct 2012, 9:48 PM | Message # 29

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The Defense Committee officially endorses this motion as it is currently amended. The position of the Planetary Defense Committee is that no Imperial good is favoured by allowing corporate war against Imperial Members. The Committee would like to express our collective astonishment that there are members of this Senate vote against a motion which is demonstrably for the Imperial Good.

The Committee calls upon suspended Committee Vice-Chairman, Senator Lomen Ryuun to make the amendment he alluded to making some time ago, rather than continue to remain parked as an obstruction and critic of the act. Senator Ordan has followed the advice of other Senators and stripped out considerable portions of the act. This is an opportunity to have another show of unity in the Senate - we all agree companies shouldn't be attacking worlds; this is fine and good.

Any of us with issues remaining, let's voice them and have them addressed by the seemingly accommodating Senator Ordan into his Act. Come on guys - let's pull together as a team; Kirkwood, you served, Ordan served, Governor TuRot serves still, Lomen Ryuun fought against corporate armies from his own world to show his allegiance to the true Government of the Galaxy. Lekpin served as a ground pounder against corporate militaries. Eli Fitzgerald gave heroic service during attacks by corporate militaries on his world. Senator Vanden, this is an act demonstrably moving to ban the kind of thing which happened to your own world.

We've all fought private armies in some way or another. I ask you back to remember when a Trade Federation Battleship was bearing down on your ship, or when your infantry were being raked by the fire of Banking Clan droid tanks, or when cowardly attacks were launched upon your civilians and monuments. Remember that service? I have little fondness for the memory of fighting these hired guns, mercenaries and bandits on any number of worlds across the Galaxy.

Come now. The sound of laser fire may no longer be in your ears, you may not be lying in a concealed foxhole as columns of droids clanked past, you may not be fighting fires, but to prevent the horrors of one generation being visited upon the next we must choke off any possibility of such acts being repeated in future.

I vote in Favour of the version with my amendment.

Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate

Artemis_Vanden

Date: Sunday, 28 Oct 2012, 1:27 PM | Message # 30

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I can see that Senator Oriel is in earnest. The bill is an involved one that has taken some time for the Naboo delegation (certain delegates in particular, who won't be named) to review and consider, but having done so, and considering also the amendments that have been made to the bill, Naboo is in favor. We cannot in good conscience exempt corporations from our principled opposition to interstellar war. There is indeed no excuse for a corporation to invade a world as the Trade Federation did to Naboo, or possess the requisite armies to do so.

Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo