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Motion to Repeal the Unknown Alien Encounters Orders
LomenRyuunDate: Saturday, 25 Sep 2010, 5:57 PM | Message # 1
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Gentlebeings of the Senate, good day.

I bring before you the Unknown Alien Encounters Orders, better known as the UAE Orders. After careful research into this extremely dated policy, I have decided the following course of action is necessary.

I move to repeal and remove said orders, allowing the brave servicemen and women of the Imperial Armed Forces the necessary measures to deal with alien races they may discover in what matters they choose. Naturally, I foresee these loyal officers and enlisted people treating any new races with the respect and welcoming arms of the Galactic Empire, but having the means to defend themselves if necessary. The current orders, referring to nonintervention and maintaining distance, are no longer necessary in these great days.


Lomen Ryuun
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Artemis_VandenDate: Sunday, 26 Sep 2010, 6:01 PM | Message # 2
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I apologize in advance that I'm not in top form this evening, Senators, but I've come down with something of a cold. It is good to be back on Coruscant, but, as always, the weather here is rather different from that of Naboo and I suppose it will take me some time to be accustomed to it. When I heard of this proposal, however, I felt it important to be here. Not simply because Senator Binks is on leave and it is my responsibility to represent Naboo in his absense, but also because this is a matter on which I feel strongly, as, I would hope, many do.

The Unknown Alien Encounters Orders may be "dated," as Senator Ryuun has said, but this does not mean they are wrong. To the contrary, I believe the Empire should have protocols in place that require its fleet keep a respectful distance from primitive and, in many cases, sensitive alien cultures that are newly discovered. The Empire may claim itself a Galactic Empire, with sovereignty over all of the known galaxy, but with all due respect I do not believe this gives it the right to intrude upon autonomous cultures. Mind you, I do not suggest that the Empire means to "intrude," but this is the reason why the UAE Orders are in place—to make certain that it doesn't, intentionally or not.

I oppose the motion.


Artemis Vanden
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Sate_PestageDate: Sunday, 26 Sep 2010, 6:10 PM | Message # 3
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It is Imperial Center, Representative Vanden. Not Coruscant. Do try to remember.

Sate Pestage
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Titus_VeritasDate: Sunday, 26 Sep 2010, 7:10 PM | Message # 4
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I, and the Defense Committee as a whole, vote In Favor of this legislation. It is of Royal decree, and thus, logical and well thought. I truly wish Representative Vanden and the rest of the Naboo delegation would get with the times.

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Artemis_VandenDate: Sunday, 26 Sep 2010, 7:37 PM | Message # 5
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Senator Veritas, you conspicuously do not comment on the merits of the proposal, or the lack thereof.

Artemis Vanden
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Titus_VeritasDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 2:00 AM | Message # 6
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We are here to serve the Emperor and the Imperial Citizenry. The Emperor is such for a reason, and his logic, as always, is sound. If I must elaborate for the Representative, I will.

Never before has our military seen such a wide range of action. This set of orders is far too limiting on the actions of the commanders out there when dealing with unknown lifeforms. Threats can not be recognized quickly enough, a solid defense can not be formed before lives are lost. While in my service during the Stark Hyperspace War and Clone Wars, I myself never encountered a situation where I had to overcome the difficulties of the UAE Orders; the Stark Hyperspace War occurring on Vanquo and my service in the Clone Wars largely relegated to Core Worlds defense with elements of the Open Circle Armada. However, I knew officers who had, primarily on the Outer Rim...and sorely paid for it in losses to the Separatists. We have had several expeditions into the Unknown Regions go wrong, likely due to the limitations on these orders. Indeed, that last statement is speculation, but I must note that any notable Unknown Regions expedition in over four thousand years has gone missing.

Most of the galaxy is explored now, we have no need for these orders, and the areas that aren't explored yet, have seen loss after loss of brave men and women who have gone into it. We must protect our military personnel, and leave interactions with foreign races up to their situational judgment. They are trained for situations like this and will do perfectly fine with constrictions, like the UAE Orders.


Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
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Janar_CerraDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 2:54 PM | Message # 7
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I am sorry but I find myself agreeing with dear old Vanden on this matter. At times it is best to keep your distance until you figure out what exactly is going on in an alien culture, especially a primative one. I find that the protocols set down my the Republic Senate should still be used until the time comes that a new set of protcols are brought before us. What we must understand is when dealing with people, beings, aliens, whatever, we must have a uniformed protocol across the board to ensure the safety of the men and woman who serve this body, this Empire and those of the natives of the planets we are exploring or passing by. I must vote against the action to repeal the UEA Orders.

Ja'nar Cerra
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LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 3:12 PM | Message # 8
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'Dear old Vanden.' That's an interesting turn of phrase, Senator Cerra. I shan't question how close yourself and Representative Vanden are outside of work. Still, that is beside the point.

Senator Cerra, do you wish ill upon the people who serve in our military? Do you want them harmed? If they can't defend themselves, they are sure to be harmed. Do the good people a favor, vote to change the current orders.


Lomen Ryuun
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Janar_CerraDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 3:26 PM | Message # 9
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I wish harm upon only one person and he is not and will not ever be standing within these chambers, though perhaps we can add another to that list who is standing within these chambers.

I do not think changing these orders will benfit anyone. These orders basically state that if our fleet happens to come across an unknown speices of being that we are not to engage them in any way. How is this putting our military personel in danger? Our military is to keep going by leaving the unknowns alone and continuing on whatever their mission may be. These orders are benfical to all involved.

And darling Ryuun, apparently you know nothing of those you work with. Which is very interesting in this day and age.

Ja'nar Cerra
Garos IV


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LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 3:34 PM | Message # 10
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I don't keep tabs on the people I work with, Senator Cerra, and I'd appreciate if you'd call me by the proper title as I address you. I might infer, perhaps, that you are considering certain people in this chamber as people you wish harm upon. Take care, Senator Cerra, that thoughts do not become actions.

As for the orders, you are correct. However, our military are among some of the most diplomatic people available, short of diplomats themselves, of course. Our officers are fine men and women are capable of contacting unknown species and welcoming them into the Empire proper. Unless, of course, you doubt the possibility of such.


Lomen Ryuun
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Janar_CerraDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 3:57 PM | Message # 11
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I do not doubt, but I do not think we should make first contact. When going to an unknown world and interacting with cultures we do not understand it is very easy to make a mistake and create a war. There is no need for this. It can all be avoid if we keep this policy of avoidance in play. We should not be out to colonialize the unknown world. Instead we should leave them be and when they develop into societies that can function at a level ours can, we should bring them into the Empire as equals. Not to say the Empire would subjugate these primative people. But we should continue on with what the Republic Senate has set forth. There is nothing wrong with the original order. They are not outdated, nor do they put our military personel in danger.

Ja'nar Cerra
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Artemis_VandenDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 4:48 PM | Message # 12
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Senator Ryuun, your insinuations about myself and Senator Cerra, flattering though they are to me, are spurious. The same could be said of you and Senator Cambrist, however I don't doubt that there is no truth in this either. So please, mind your insinuations. As it is, I remain in agreement with Senator Cerra on this matter. No doubt, the Emperor is sincere in his belief that the UAE orders should be repealed, as I am sincere in my belief that they should not. I remain opposed to the measure because, as Senator Cerra has said, these virgin societies should be protected from outside interference, and although I'm sure the Imperial fleet agrees with this, there is always the possibility that the right of these societies to autonomy might be sacrificed for the expediency of the moment. I merely argue, Senators, that this is a right that should not be sacrified under any circumstances, and should be protected in writing. This is what the UAE orders do.

Artemis Vanden
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LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 7:16 PM | Message # 13
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I was not actually referring to sexual connections, Representatives. I simply meant close friendships. It is... unbecoming to refer to such things in a place of work such as we are in. If you will not change your position, I certainly can't persuade you otherwise. Therefore, the vote still passes at this time. I ask Chairman Pestage to call it to a close if there are no votes otherwise in the next twenty-four hours.

Lomen Ryuun
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Sate_PestageDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 8:06 PM | Message # 14
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The vote appears to be tied as of this moment. I will break it if need be, but I am in no hurry to do so. I'm rather enjoying this exchange, in fact. By all means, let us have all voices heard so that His Majesty may see where everyone stands on the matter.

Sate Pestage
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Mical_de_CrionDate: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 8:10 PM | Message # 15
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Senator Ryuun, while your obvious suggestion has given the akward air to the Senate Rotunda, no one has mentioned anything, implied or otherwise, of sexual relations between any member of this body. I ask that you refrain from using unprofessional language when speaking in the Senate and keep to parliamentary rules.

The UAE Orders were established for a valid reason in the days of the Republic. Just because we have a new name, the bureaucracy has been butchered, and the old constitution burned... the UAE Orders still hold a valid and important role in interactions with foreign races. While I am not necessarily against expansion and exploration, as Senator Cerra and Representative Vanden are, and please my esteemed colleagues correct me if I am mistaken on this matter, I do believe an essential part to exploration and expansion are the UAE Order. Senator Cerra and Representative Vanden have largely hit on the other points of the arguement against this, and I submit my vote Against this legislation.


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