The Imperial Training (Local Forces) and Competence Act
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 11:23 AM | Message # 1 |
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| The Imperial Training (Local Forces) and Competence Act This act proposes that all local officers of a command senior level (0-3 And above, or local equivalent), should be subject to training at an Imperial Military Academy if they have not already attended such in their previous years. Officers in departments which are unlikely to require close cooperation with Imperial Forces (Catering, Sanitation, Administration etc) may recieve an exemption from the requirement for this course. This course will be a "Fast Track" course taking place over six months, and will be sponsored on a per officer basis by the worlds who have officers of this rank. The syllabus will consist of the following Tactics, Battle Drills, Political Ideology, Logic and Navigation. This will allow the officers in question to be able to operate as Auxilliary forces when required by the Empire, and make sure they are able to do so in a competetent and orderly manner. At the end of the course there will be a set of strenuous exams, and an assessment of the individual's Physical and Mental health and loyalties in addition to the content of the course. If the officer is able to pass all of these, he will be granted an Imperial Reserve Commission at his present rank. If the Individual fails he must accept a substantive demotion to a rank not requiring the course (0-2 and below), but may retain his current pay grade if a local world thinks its suitable. An Individual may continue in his field after a fail (so long as the Mental health and loyalty modules are passed) if a local world wishes, so long as they fund an Aide who shall be an Imperial Military Officer (or ex officer with a honourable discharge) of up to two ranks below the failed officer, to assure suitable cooperation is available. The Aide shall be vested with the power to over-rule the failed officer in any decision he deems poorly thought out or contrary to the Good of the Empire. If the Individual fails it shall be also considered adequate that he be transfered into a branch of the local military which does not require the course. Worlds which can prove they cannot afford this course without causing significant hardship may apply for a grant from their sector Moff in order to cover the cost of the course.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 11:28 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Oriel, I have but one question. What of local officers who graduated from academies that have, since that time, been absorbed into the Imperial Academy system? I feel this is probably the case with many officers on most Core Worlds.
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 11:29 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Oh naturally. Their qualifications are considered valid by the Imperial Navy, they would more than satisfy the requirements under this Act.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 11:33 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Thank you. In that case, Brentaal votes in favor.
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 12:53 PM | Message # 5 |
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| While Garos IV disagrees with the provisions for those who fail the end of course exam. If officers are unable to pass the end of course exams they should be dismissed from military service or placed into roles where the exam is not needed. Failure should not be an option nor tolerated and the provision allows for both. Even without an amendment though, Garos IV votes in favor of this act.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 1:00 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Cerra, If I might suggest, many officers who are of advanced years (and often ranks) in local military forces may be unable to pass this course due to difficulties with learning in later life, poor levels of fitness, etc. And as such it would seem unjust to discharge such senior and distinguished officers from service, especially in light of previous achievements etc. For this reason I have included provisions to prevent these individuals befalling an injustice which might result in their undergoing hardship. Hence worlds have the option of continuing to employ these Individuals if they wish, but so that their overall effectiveness is not reduced thanks to the inclusion of well trained aides or transfer to a part of the military which doesnt require the course.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 1:27 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I still personally believe that failure should not be tolerated within the Imperial Navy or anywhere else for that matter.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 2:27 PM | Message # 8 |
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| While I hold some degree of recognition for Senator Cerra's concerns, I have a somewhat different matter to address. Those that fail the course and its subsequent examinations would need to be replaced, and quite readily in some areas. Does this mean promoting officers without assessment of their own capabilities, or adding duties to those of an officer of the required rank, possibly adding to an already strenuous work load? Also, will failed officers be entitled to retake the course after a specified period of time, or will he simply have to accept his one failure as the bane of his career? For personally, I believe that an examination should not be the only thing standing between a naturally competent officer, and his duties. I will withhold voting until my queries have been addressed.
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 2:41 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Oriel, I completely agree with your sentiment that Officers in the military service of the Empire should all be equally competent and attend this 'training camp' that you had proposed. Perhaps it will also weed out those that are not able to or those who are not truly serving the Empire? I vote in favor.
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:01 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Senator Lohden. Officers would likely be promoted to fill these positions and so would require the course themselves, in the interim, I assume that these positions would be filled by their previous occupants (with an Imperial Officer as an aide) until a suitable replacemant can be trained. This would encourage worlds to send additional officers to requirement to the Imperial Academy in order that they have a surplus of qualified officers to fill positions if needed. I believe that as with any other academic institution, so long as the funding is available, the institution willing, and the individual willing, that they could retake the course if neccessary. Also, to alay your concerns a single examination would not determine failiure (unless on medical grounds), but a progressive system with a grade average over multiple examinations would determine success or failiure in the course. Also it should be noted that if the officer fails and is unable to retake the course there are other options made available in order to assure they are not left without employment such as the attachment of an Imperial Aide to them or their transfer to a position where the course is not required. For example, if an officer showed little aptitude for military tactics, or was found to be incompetant in a battle situation in the exams and so failed, there is nothing to prevent him from pursuing his career as an Administration officer, which may indeed be better suited to his talents than being a command officer.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Crin_Star | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:32 PM | Message # 11 |
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| "When does it stop Senator Oriel? When can reason and sanity return to these halls? Will it be when every planet can no longer decide anything for themselves? When they are forced to bow down to every whim of a senator? When does it end Senator? We are all sent here for two major purposes, to represent the people of our planets and to work to strengthen the Empire. And so now, I put the question to you senator how does continuing to take the rights from planets strengthen the Empire or represent the populace of the world? Now I will grant you that being a part of the Empire does entail some compromises, that in exchange for the security of worlds we must give up a few freedoms and liberties, but there is a point where it goes to far Senator. Where we must say hither to and no further. Your bills have pushed that line, leaping across it as if it were a great chasm when in truth it was the finest of lines. Instead you take the right to self determine from planets. The sacred right of EVERY world to determine its own fate, to set its own laws and prepare its own defenses. If they fail in one spot then it is a failure of a planet that had made a mistake and will, hopefully, look to correcting the problems where they may lay, and if they do not then it is up to the people of that world to take the responsibility to either change what has failed, put new leadership up that will change it, or to live with the consequences. It is not YOUR role to tell these planetary governments how they should be run, but rather these planetary governments that should be telling US how THEY want to be represented. We are a part of the Empire, yes, and our loyalty must be to support it in every way we can, to help it grow and become stronger, but we can not abandon thinking and acting for ourselves. The Empire, is made stronger when we blaze our own paths of security and not when they have to baby sit worlds. We pay our taxes, send men and women to fight alongside theirs, and do what is asked of us by the empire so that it can be strong enough to deal with the threats individual planets can not. It is YOUR policies which weaken the Empire, Senator. It is YOUR policies which continue to push the line until planets can no longer choose their own destinies. So where will it stop senator? When you tell local planets they can no longer choose who is capable of leading their own militias? When you tell planets who can no longer be in charge of their government? Where does it stop Senator Oriel? Where is the line drawn for you? And I know what you will try to say to dismiss my arguements here that I endanger worlds with this, but the truth is I am trying to protect worlds from YOU. And if it isn't perfectly clear I am voting against this piece of legislation."
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:51 PM | Message # 12 |
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| I hate to jump the proverbial gun on this, Senator Oriel, but it sounds as though you are challenging the wisdom and integrity of the Imperial Navy, and by extension, the Emperor himself. Those that are in their current positions are more than proven capable, otherwise they wouldn't be there in the first place. And the idea of building up a surplus of officers in the event of a handful failing their aptitude tests seems highly irregular, and a complete misuse of resources. We will end up with too many officers, with wasted education and costly training, being relegated to sub-standard jobs while their competent superiors continue to perform an admirably. That being said, I will make it clear, however, that I am not overly opposed to the idea of examining existing officers, if only to keep their minds keen and address any areas of concern. I do not, however, think the answer is to demote and humiliate the officers that have adequately and uncompromisingly defended this Empire since its birth based on legislation put forth by those of us without military or naval minds. I would hardly expect an Admiral to come in here and begin telling us how we should screen and select our Senators. Perhaps, with a few revisions made, we could both compromise on this matter? I propose the following: -That officers failing one or more areas are put under review of their practical application in the field, rather than demoted outright or placed under care of an advisor. -That officers taking the test be allowed to determine the date of the test at any time within 3 months of completing the course, so as to present their best work rather than be caught unawares or be subjected to examination during stressful periods. -That officers failing the examination be provided a re-sit, with their final assessment being drawn from both sets of results. - That officers failing even after a resit be put through re-training, before re-assessment of their capabilities for the job in question. - Alternatively, failing officers be offered an alternative role more befitting their strengths, if re-training is not desired.
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:59 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Senator Star, Please take a deep breath and calm yourself. You appear to, once again, have got all hot and bothered over a relatively minor issue. This is a motion to ensure all officers are well trained and equipped to participate in joint operations with the Empire, if required. It does not exclude anyone from service, and includes specific measures for those unable to pass the relavent tests. Allow me to quote you Senator Star "When they are forced to bow down to every whim of a senator"... I believe this may be a trace of resentment and upset after twice leading the opposition to pieces of my legislation in the past. May I remind the Senator from Volus that when the Senate gives its support to a motion, it is called democracy. When the Senate refuses a repeal by a supermajority, it is also called Democracy. My policies do not weaken the Empire, and evidently, by the passage of my legislation, a majority of worlds agree with me. To answer your questions. The Empire has a perfect right to dictate whom may command its own Auxilliaries (planetary forces). Allow me to quote the Capital Ships Act, recently passed by a majority of worlds "8. Planetary forces will be considered to be an auxilliary to the Imperial Navy and Sector Fleets, they may be commanded and mobilised by an Imperial Officer of appropriate rank (0-3, with the signed orders of an officer ranking at least 0-7). " It is perfectly reasonable to dictate that senior Auxilliary officers must be educated to a certain level. It is perfectly reasonable that they should be trained for the rigours of cooperation with the Imperial Military. I would also remind Senator Star, that to an extent we do instruct worlds whom it is appropriate to have rule them. For example noone who is a member of a proscribed organisation (such as the Jedi Order) would be considered eligible by the Empire to hold a planetary rulership, or someone convicted of a felony. I see no reason to draw "a line" between the Empire and Individual Worlds, we are one Empire, united in security and stability. Why do you wish to draw "lines" between the Empire and its worlds? Can we not just be one, in the secure embrace of the Empire. Added (15 Nov 2010, 5:59 PM) --------------------------------------------- Senator Lohden. To answer your points. This is not a motion relating to the Imperial Navy, its methods or personnel. This is a motion concerning only the training of local militia forces in Imperial Methods and Ideology, to assure their suitability to hold office in the Emperor's Auxilliary Forces. The Imperial Navy itself has its own, excellent training methods, as do all the other branches of the Imperial Military. I simply am proposing that we extend these high standards into the forces of Individual worlds, since forces from each world may be required to cooperate with the Imperial Military in joint operations.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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RonsardEntrente | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 7:21 PM | Message # 14 |
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| After Senator Oriel's elaborations on the focus of this bill, namely, a focus on planetary forces and not on direct, Imperial-controlled forces, I am much more confident that this motion will only serve to promote positive incentives for improving the command organization and coherency of auxiliary, planetary forces. An Imperial training will streamline the command structure of our combined military forces and allow the Imperial fleet to more readily coordinate intrasystem maneuvers with local military commands. With Commenor so fresh into the Imperial fold, it has not had time to fully integrate its own military forces with Imperial doctrine in command organization and discipline. Therefore, this bill will encourage my planet's military to integrate more effectively with Imperial command structures in the case that Imperial forces need to conduct combat maneuvers in-system. Our military academies will also benefit from this motion by bringing in tried and tested training methods from the whole host of Imperial military tradition and training facilities. This motion will help root out the poor performing officers and encourage a more professional and experienced officer corps in all the Empire's subject planets. I believe Senator Lohden's amendments would diminish the most important aspects of Senator Oriel's original bill (notably, the part about creating negative incentives for poor performance), therefore, Commenor whole-heartedly votes in favor of the original motion.
Ronsard Entrente Senator of Commenor Ranking Member, Commerce Committee
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 1:32 AM | Message # 15 |
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| While I admit to being unclear about the definition of 'local' forces until now, my standpoint remains the same. If these officers are to become auxillary to the Imperial Navy, they should be afforded treatment akin to those they serve with, not segregated and punished for perhaps not being able to express themselves on paper. Many officers are men of action, Senators, and to expect a man to be literate enough to fulfil the requirements of an examination paper as opposed to practical demonstrations of their abilities is absurd. I'd like to see some compromise here, as too often we've been coming up against permacrete walls where your bills are concerned, Senator Oriel. That some provisions be made for the failing officers, such as alternatives to examination, or offers to re-sit or relocate be made, rather than outcomes being forced upon them.
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