The Government Workers Political Donation Act
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LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 2:38 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The Ryuun/Ordan Government Workers Political Donation Act Being Senators, we all have a number of people on our home planets backing us, assisting in reelection and generally helping our campaigning when the time comes. However, it strikes me that certain Senators may be abusing the funds allotted to certain government employees or bribing certain employees to assist in aiding their campaigning funds. This is not casting aspersions on any Senators, nor do I have solid proof of any Senator doing such at this time. However, to prevent illegal campaigning acts, I propose the following legislation: 1) Under this act, it will be unlawful for any officer or employee of any Imperial planet's government to contribute money or gifts for election purposes. 2) A committee established by the Head of State will monitor these elections when they take place, ensuring no duplicity or unlawful actions are being taken. Amendment: 1) A gift as mentioned in this act shall be defined as something acquired without compensation for personal use. This term shall not apply to donations to electoral campaigns (which are governed by local law), to 'state gifts' which are donated by one world's Government to another or to awards and honors conferred by Imperial Planetary Governments to Imperial Citizens. 2) Values shall be tabulated from estimates made by officials on Imperial Center who are experts in their field. 3) Gifts over the value of 5,000 Imperial Credits to elected officials shall be prohibited unless an individual wishes to pay to the state the value of the gift over 5,000 credits (so if a gift was 6500 credits, the individual in question could accept the gift in exchange for a payment of 1,500 Imperial Credits to their world's treasury). 4) All gifts over the value of 5,000 Credits (not paid for by the above provision) will be placed in the world's treasury. 5) Gifts under the value of 5,000 Imperial Credits may be accepted by elected officials, but must be declared in a list of gifts to be published once per annual list.
Lomen Ryuun Senator, Doldur Sector Senator, Druckenwell Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY) Representative, Geridard Representative, Boranall Representative, Therenor Prime Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended) Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 2:42 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Ryuun's proposal looks good to me, and of course I would vote in favor of the proposal. I strongly believe in fair play, and this is something that could start a long road toward cleaning the corruption out of the politics.
Tremaine Fowlkes Senator of Telos IV
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 4:04 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I agree with Senator Fowlkes in his statements regarding cleaning up politics and fair play, so I also vote in favor.
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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Crin_Star | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 4:21 PM | Message # 4 |
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| "I agree this should not be allowed and will be voting in favor of this resolution, however I would wonder if Senator Lomen would accept an amendment to force senators to disclose all gifts, whether in elections or during their tenure as Senator to this committee and to make it where no single contribution may be made greater than a total sum or value of 5,000 credits."
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 5:18 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I am broadly in support of this motion. Although I wonder if Senator Star's proposal is not (as usual) a foolish and poorly thought out one. However, if we are to integrate it, I would propose the follow g definition (due to his poor draftsmanship rendering him unable to produce a suitable one) A definition of gift needs to be established for this act. I propose "A "gift" as mentioned in this act shall be defined as something acquired without compensation for personal use. This term shall not apply to donations to electoral campaigns (which are governed by local law), to "state gifts" which are donated one world's Government to another or to awards and honours confered by Imperial Planetary Governments to Imperial Citizens. Intangible grants (clan membership, titles, qualifications etc) which cannot be sold shall not be counted as "gifts". Values shall be tabulated from estimates made by officials on Imperial Center who are experts in their field. Gifts over the value of 5,000 Imperial Credits to elected officials shall be prohibited unless an individual wishes to pay to the state the value of the gift over 5,000 credits (so if a gift was 6500 credits, the individual in question could accept the gift in exchange for a payment of 1,500 Imperial Credits to their world's treasury). All gifts over the value of 5,000 Credits (not paid for by the above provision) will be placed in the world's treasury. Gifts under the value of 5,000 Imperial Credits may be accepted by elected officials, but must be declared in a list of gifts to be published once per annum." I think my draftsmanship conveys Senator Star's general thrust, but I have thought it out better.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Crin_Star | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 5:35 PM | Message # 6 |
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| "Senator Ordan, in the future ask for clarifications and keep yours to yourself because as usual you missed the entire point of my proposal or my position. A gift will be defined as anything given to a senator or representative that is not directly from their planet's government as a means of compensation for that person's service as their senator or representative. And even that must be claimed on the biannual, thats 6 months for those who don't understand Senator Ordan, report given to the committee. Also my amendment states that any contribution made during the election must also be reported this should be in a list form of the contributors and a list of how much they contributed to the Senator's cause. Also the amount I stated earlier is the limit for ALL donations and no exceptions should be made to go over 5,000 credits per gift per year.
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 5:44 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Ok little lady. I disagree with your badly written definition, and continue to propose my amendment. It fails to take account for the multiple factors my amendment does. And fails to take account for non monetary grants, state gifts, union donations. Your proposal is also massively open to abuse and has more holes in it than Dear Liza's bucket.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Crin_Star | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 5:53 PM | Message # 8 |
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| "Clearly you didn't bother to actually READ mine senator Ordan, because it clearly states anything whose VALUE exceeds 5,000 credits. This can be any type of gift from land, property, titles, money, objects, literally anything. If it's total value exceeds 5,000 credits then it is prohibited as a gift." Added (18 Nov 2010, 6:53 PM) --------------------------------------------- "And to make the senator clearly aware, MINE is the one without loopholes. If it is given to a senator, or their cause then it MUST be claimed including its total value in terms of what it is and what it is worth."
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Fabio | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 5:55 PM | Message # 9 |
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| On Anobis, we elect the most trustworthy person to be senator, but before that the person must pass a test of trust, by working for the king. This process is a long one, I feel it should be applied to most planets. Anobis votes in favor.
Fabio Riada. King of Anobis.
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 5:57 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Define the "value" of a title? These are not always things which can be bought and sold. An award's medal may be worth 500 credits, but might be priceless to the campaign of an individual for the credibility it lends. What of honorary degrees? These equally give an individual massive credibility but often can't be bought and sold so have no "monetary" value. What is value Senator Star? It is a situational agreement on the purchasing power of an item, but this varies hugely across the galaxy, on a deserted island would you rather have a bag of gold, or a bag of potatoes? On Vjun, an acid proof cloak would be worth more than 5,000 credits to an individual being burned by acid rain, but perhaps only a few dozen in the core. Equally water is valuable on Tatooine, but not Kamino, so who's "value" do we run with? Also your proposals govern only senators and representatives ignoring most elected officials. Equally, what if an individual wants to receive a gift over 5000 credits and will pay the difference?
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 5:59 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I see no issue with this, it still leaves things up to the head of the planet to make the decision, leaving some power within their hands, unless I read it incorrectly, I vote in favor of this.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 19 Nov 2010, 4:33 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Senator Ryuun Would you accept my amendment as a friendly one? Since senator star has been unable to refute me.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 19 Nov 2010, 4:56 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Indeed, Senator Ordan, I will be adopting your proposal. I apologize, Senator Star. You had good points, but the wording could have been better.
Lomen Ryuun Senator, Doldur Sector Senator, Druckenwell Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY) Representative, Geridard Representative, Boranall Representative, Therenor Prime Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended) Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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Taja_Lohden | Date: Friday, 19 Nov 2010, 10:23 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Before this degenerates into yet another squabble, I'd like to register my vote in favour and refrain from further comment, other than I abhor the use of monetary or material bribery (lets not beat around the bush, this is what it all boils down to) when it comes to election. If it were applicable, or even possible to implement, I'd recommend an amendment enforcing the arrest of any Senator caught during their tenure to have offered, or accepted a bribe of any value for their support in a campaign. But it would be impractical. We'll just have to hope that everyone among us realises that partaking in politics is not a game of winning by any means necessary. Whether during election campaigns or in these halls themselves, a Senator should be focused on the good of the people and the power of the vote, not seeing their own ends met.
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 19 Nov 2010, 10:25 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I vote in favour of the Act.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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