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Prisoners of War (Planetary) Work and Welfare Act
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Friday, 07 Jan 2011, 8:30 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Prisoners of War (Planetary) Work and Welfare Act
Article III, Section 5 of the Prisoners of War (Planetary) Act states:
"Prisoners of War (below the rank of O-1 or local equivalent) may be required to take part in civilian work (not directly related to the war effort) in order to "earn their keep", Officers (above O-1) shall be considered exempt. " I propose simple legislation that will repeal this part of said legislation in favor of:
Prisoners of War, below Pay Grade O-1 or local equivalent, may be required to take part in civilian work, not directly related to the war effort, if desires by their captors. Prisoners of War, at or above Pay Grade O-1, are forbidden to be used in civilian work. In addition:
Prisoners of War shall be given the right to form their own units, based on quartering accommodations. The ranking officer among the Prisoners of War shall have the ability to confer with the commanding officer of their detention facility concerning matters of treatment, welfare, and other relevant topics.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Message edited by TitusVeritas - Friday, 07 Jan 2011, 8:39 PM |
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 07 Jan 2011, 8:34 PM | Message # 2 |
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| You think that an Officer and a Gentleman should be forced to work?
Bernard Oriel
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Friday, 07 Jan 2011, 8:39 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Ah, I apologize Senator Oriel. I misunderstood the wording of your legislation. No, I do not in fact think an Officer and a Gentleman should work. However, I feel that the current wording of the passed legislation leaves a loophole in which Officers could be put to work in support of the captor's war effort. I have amended the legislation.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 07 Jan 2011, 8:40 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I would like to question as to where Senator Veritas feels the precise loophole is?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Friday, 07 Jan 2011, 8:41 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Is the new version satisfactory to Senators Oriel and Ordan?
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
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Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 07 Jan 2011, 8:45 PM | Message # 6 |
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| "Officers (above O-1) shall be considered exempt." "Prisoners of War, at or above Pay Grade O-1, are forbidden to be used in civilian work." From my perspective, my own wording of the Prisoners of War Act seems to say a similar thing, the only possible loophole existing to allow Officers at Grade O-1 to be compelled to work. This being the case, and having seen the loophole in my own working, I vote in favour of this act. I also add that I apologise for allowing such a glaring loophole, and I assure Senator Veritas that my draftsman will again be soundly flogged before nightfall.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
Message edited by Bernard_Oriel - Friday, 07 Jan 2011, 8:45 PM |
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Friday, 27 May 2011, 8:33 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Are there any more votes or amendments on this measure?
Sate Pestage
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Friday, 27 May 2011, 10:13 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I recommend an change to at least O-3.
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Friday, 27 May 2011, 11:04 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Ray, what makes you believe that Officers of O-1 and O-2 ranking, if I am correctly interpreting your remarks, should participate in labor while other officers do not?
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Saturday, 28 May 2011, 8:59 AM | Message # 10 |
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| O-1 and O-2 are no doubtly the bottom of the Officer chain Senator. Officers with experience should no doubt be not made to work, while those with less experience should be. That is why I suggest this.
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 3:01 AM | Message # 11 |
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| I agree with Senator Ray, and I believe it should be at least O-3. I vote in favor of Senator Ray's amendment.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 10:12 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Senator Fowlkes, I've noticed this over the past year, and it seems no one has corrected you, so I will. An amendment to a proposed bill CAN NOT and DOES NOT get voted into the legislation, it must be accepted by the writer of the legislation. Only an amendment of established legislation is voted on. Please remember, Tremaine, there is a difference...
Before I decide whether or not I will accept this amendment, I ask...
Senator Ray, why do you feel O-1 and O-2 grade officers, experience or not, must be worked as POWs? How does experience make a difference here?
Senator Fowlkes... please explain your support for Senator Ray's amendment.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 11:05 AM | Message # 13 |
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| I shall tell you why Senator.
Experience is the bread and butter of a soldier. On a battlefield, whom is more likely to win; the man with the most experience or the man without anything at all? Now I know that luck will favor the man with no experience, but also fortune and attitude favor the man with the experience.
Officers that are commissioned to O-1 are newbies fresh out of the Imperial academy. They have no experience and are taught that the military is their playground. However as the years certainly go on, they begin to learn what is right, what is wrong, and what needs to be done. I know if I were a POW I would expect my leaders to lead by example and help out, but as we all know that is not the case in many situations because once a man is given Officer rank, he or she believes they are right and have no need to lift a finger.
O-3s are company grade officers, whom are in charge of that, companies. I would rather have them and their experience be the ones that sit around and plan. Because the soldier is more likely to follow someone whom has been in the heart of battle, and has survived. Experience is key here Senator, and that is why I believe that any officer O-3 and above should be exempt from doing any type of labor, while O-1 and O-2 should have to pull their weight like any enlisted soldier. That is what I believe.
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 11:09 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Well spoken, Senator Ray, well spoken.
If this is altered, Sluis Van will vote in favor. Until then, opposed.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 5:43 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I want it to be made clear this applies to humans only. Some alien world goes to war against Eriadu theres no way I'm going to treat their prisoners as "gentlemen"
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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