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The Aeeq Aid and Loose Ends Bill
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 2:19 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Aeeq Aid and Loose Ends Bill
The destruction of Aeeq was a disasterous day for the Empire and every world. Many millions died in what has proven to be a huge calamity which could have been averted by one holo call from any Aeeqi official. This kind of refusal to help their people (instead squabbling over who would keep what property) represents one of the innate dangers in alien and planetary monarch rule.
Regarding Aid
1. The Axum System, Concious of the previous difficulties between Aeeq and the Axum System shall donate 50,000,000 Credits to a fund to rehouse as many Aeeqis as possible to agricultural worlds or other worlds they have a job offer on (where it is cost effective) out of fraternal love for fellow Imperial Citizens. This charity fund will be named as the "Senator Ordan Benevolent Emigration Fund", the organisation will he tax exempt. All worlds are solicited for donation to the fund. It is critical we help the Aeeqi people get back to work and normal life ASAP.
Regarding Aeeq
2. Aeeq as an uninhibited destroyed world shall be redesignated "UP-14673". The world shall be considered a mass grave and so private vessels shall not be allowed to pick over the ruin of Aeeq.
3. Being uninhibited, Aeeq is no longer entitled to membership and a vote in the Senate. The Aeeqi Senator may continue to represent the Aeeqi diaspora for six months in a non-voting observation capacity. Until that time she may continue to claim her salary and emoluments.
4. The responsible party for this crisis, the Aeeq Government, shall be investigated for their negligence and incompetence by the Ethics Committee. All surviving senior Aeeqi Government officials will be investigated for their role in the disaster. Specifically the lack of a single attempt to request help from any party shall be a major topic of investigation.
5. The Axum System will place a guard over the ruins of Aeeq to prevent private companies profiteering off the ruins.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 8:59 AM | Message # 2 |
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| This seems very reasonable and is incredibly charitable, Senator Ordan. Please forgive my surprise. Chandrila votes in favor. Please do not hesitate to let me know what additional aide may be needed aside from the monetary donation we will contribute.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 10:29 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I wonder if we're not being too hasty, Senator. A catastrophe, yes. A tragedy, surely. But the damage is done and I happen to feel that permitting salvage companies (with dispensation from the Empire, of course) to clear away the debris is the least we can do to help the remaining people of Aeeq to move on. If a man were shot, say, it would be in poor taste to leave him where he lay. I should think we can do better, and indeed, I'm sure there are salvage companies on Brentaal that would be willing to do this solemn service for Aeeq.
Let us not forget, also, that a large amount of debris is now "on the loose," as it were, in the Chommell Sector, some of it quite dangerous. To avoid more tragedies of this sort, surely it is important to the worlds of that sector to clear the debris as soon as possible and I wonder if for these reasons the Senator would re-consider his proscription of salvage operations.
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 10:40 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Senator Cambrist,
You should note that the motion specifically refers to private companies. If there was an enterprise which was say, owned in large part by a government and was designated this solemn duty, I am sure it would be able to do so legally and simply. If there emerged a partially government owned ore mining company of good repute and experience in this area, then I am sure it would be allowed to work..
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Foreign Minister of Anaxes
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Autocrat of Selgon
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 10:52 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Splendid. With regard to aid, however, I would be interested in hearing from the Senator of Aeeq before Brentaal contributes any money to this fund or supports it here in the Senate. Considering the shameful disregard that Aeeq's government showed for its people in the planet's last days, I am reluctant to contribute money to what remains of that government if it's simply going to disappear. However, Senator Ordan, if I have your assurance that funds will be distributed directly to the refugees of Aeeq without the involvement of Aeeq's officials, I suppose I'd be more supportive.
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 11:10 AM | Message # 6 |
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| The present representatives of Aeeq will have a role to play in the distribution of the fund, but only in a consultative capacity (and only if (which I doubt) they turn up to the meetings), they will have no veto over distribution which will be done by a group of experienced trustees.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 11:32 AM | Message # 7 |
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| A tragedy it was indeed, yet as Senator Cambrist said, I too wonder if we are being too hasty. Lets look at the name of this bill, "The Aeeq Aid and Loose Ends Bill" the term "Loose ends" offends me to the core, we are not talking about "Loose Ends" we are talking about refugees, people that have just lost loved ones, family, friends, their homes and we're going to call them "Loose ends" instead of giving them the dignity of calling them living beings.
Quote (Senator_Ordan) to rehouse as many Aeeqis as possible to agricultural worlds or other worlds they have a job offer on (where it is cost effective) out of fraternal love for fellow Imperial Citizens.
I will applaud Senator Ordan though for offering to relocate the people, yet I find a problem with how he wishes to relocate them. He's stating that they will only be allowed to relocate to agricultural worlds or worlds with jobs. Would they be allowed to relocate to a planet of their choosing, if one has family on another world would you prevent them from joining them because you are only going to allow them to go to a world and be relocated if it is only cost effective rather than let them joining family on other worlds.
The Cronese Mandate has many habitable, yet uninhabited worlds were the refugees may resettle and be given a chance to allow their culture to once more flourish so that we can see the beauty of Aeeq preserved. I am sure that Robeir XXII would have no objection to renaming one of our uninhabited worlds Aeeq II to allow the people some dignity that this bill seeks to tear from them.
Quote (Senator_Ordan) Aeeq as an uninhibited destroyed world shall be redesignated "UP-14673".
This further shows my point, we are taking the dignity, what little is left, from the people by renaming their world to "UP-14673" Let the world remain as Aeeq, allow the dead the dignity to have died on their own world named Aeeq, not some labeled world that will be forgotten.
Quote (Senator_Ordan) Being uninhibited, Aeeq is no longer entitled to membership and a vote in the Senate.
I find it suspect that you would prevent the Senator of Aeeq to no longer have a vote, especially in having any say on any bill that directly affects the refugees of Aeeq such as this bill does. Allow the Senator of Aeeq a voice for her people until a proper world for them to relocate to has been found before you cut and serve all ties and prevent the refugees from having a voice, or would you rather them not have one so you can deem where they can and can not go with bills such as this.
Quote (Senator_Ordan) The responsible party for this crisis, the Aeeq Government, shall be investigated for their negligence and incompetence by the Ethics Committee. All surviving senior Aeeqi Government officials will be investigated for their role in the disaster. Specifically the lack of a single attempt to request help from any party shall be a major topic of investigation.
I do agree that the government of Aeeq must be questioned, yet as I understand it, they were not the only sole reason why an evacuation could not be formed. My information states that the Axus fleet was in orbit blockading the world, preventing ships from leaving or entering the planet, and seizing ships that attempted to break through the blockade. I ask you Senator Ordan, did your Axus fleet require a request from the people, or are they so cold blooded that even in the face of a disaster that was to befall Aeeq, they'd rather stand by than take any action. The Axus fleet should have acted with out any prior request, or command. The people of Aeeq where in trouble and had no way off world as allowed by the Axus fleet, I find is suspect that not a single crew member or captain of any vessel saw it necessary to at least extend any form of olive branch to the people and offer to help them off world. Or are the crew members of the Axus fleet the kind that drive by a broken down motorist and splash the cold water on the side of the street on him as he attempts to repair his vehicle.
Quote (Senator_Ordan) The Axum System will place a guard over the ruins of Aeeq to prevent private companies profiteering off the ruins.
I also find it suspect that it would be an Axum ship that will guard the ruins. I suggest that the vessel be of neutral origin that had no part, nor any favor towards Axum or Aeeq be the one that guards the graveyard of Aeeq.
Quote (Senator_Ordan) The destruction of Aeeq was a disasterous day for the Empire and every world. Many millions died in what has proven to be a huge calamity which could have been averted by one holo call from any Aeeqi official. This kind of refusal to help their people (instead squabbling over who would keep what property) represents one of the innate dangers in alien and planetary monarch rule.
Last but not least though I do enjoy the fact that we live in a time were we can blame the victims, indeed I do. A Child is kidnapped, well he shouldn't have been playing on that playground. A hostage was taken and killed, well he shouldn't have been at work that day. A woman was raped, well she shouldn't have been home alone. Aeeq was destroyed, well they should have gotten off planet or asked for help. The world was in turmoil, the world was blockaded. I pose this question to the Senate, how long would have aid taken to get to the world, how long would we have debated in what action to take and what course to do so, instead of just sending vessels to help, how long would we have debated over the reason and legality of Axum's blockade of the world Aeeq. Action should have been taken immediately, and no action was taken. It should not require use to sit on our hands and wait for a request when faced with a disaster such as what happened to Aeeq.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 11:52 AM | Message # 8 |
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| As ever, Mr Goodchild is misrepresenting the facts to attack a very charitable bill which seeks to give back to the poor benighted refugees of Aeeq. The charity has limited funds - rules must be placed on the efficient use of those funds - no charity can just fritter away all its funds with no rules.
This is not a time to score political points or to attack others, this is a time of solemn consideration. I know the people of Aeeq would prefer that we adhered to our duties and proceeded with the housekeeping associated with the destruction of a world rather than fail to comply with good order in the manner the former Aeeqi regime did.
Their memory is better served by us attending to our duties than by wasting time with senseless displays of morning. No doubt every Imperial Citizen mourns the passing of Aeeq, but Mr Goodchild, life goes on.
As for the allegations of my fleet failing Aeeq, we did not "stand by", the Axum Interest Protection Squadron Taskforce was redeployed a week before the rogue planetoid entered the system (at a large fraction of the speed of light) and plummeted towards Aeeq. Our vessels were redeployed elsewhere in the region and so were unable to extend aid. We are not psychics and have no clairvoyant ability to intervene everywhere at one time.
The blockade was legal and done with the implicit cooperation of the local government. We made no effort to impede movement of refugee vessels, we also should note that Aeeq was a net exporter of produce - as such this only resulted in it having a surplus from the blockade, rather than any form of starvation or other distress being caused to the locals.
I find this petty point scoring polemic to be unbecoming Mr Goodchild, to the dignity of this chamber and to the memory of those who died at Aeeq.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 1:44 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I don't think Aeeq's government can be considered a "victim." Its people, yes. Not its government, which does deserve blame for being preoccupied with "dividing the spoils" of the planet's resources and never once calling for assistance for its people. You are quite right that no action was taken, Mr. Goodchild. And Aeeq's government is as responsible for this as any rapist is for rape (or any of the litany of your charming hypotheticals). I'm not sure what point he's attempting to make about the length of time the Senate may have discussed the issue; there is no shortage of planets and charities that would have assisted Aeeq, if they had been called upon to do so.
As for the planet's status now, don't let's be silly. Aeeq is an uninhabited planet, and pretending it is otherwise will not help the people of Aeeq to move on from this tragedy. It's not healthy to obsess about the past. And as for Aeeq losing its Senate representation, again, there is no Aeeq. There are refugees, yes, and I think Senator Ordan's proposal is reasonable in having Aeeq's senator retain her seat for a period of 6 months to continue to advocate for them (though it's worth noting that Aeeq's senator has so far failed miserably in this respect).
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 3:44 PM | Message # 10 |
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| As a sign of good faith, Acherin is prepared to offer the citizens of the former planet of Aeeq housing and a job! I vote in favor of this!
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 7:34 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I am fully in favor of helping those who have lost their home of Aeeq, by all means. It may clear things up, and I do hope Senator Ordan will not object, but Sluis Van is a neutral party; we are willing to place the guard vessels around the site to ensure no vandalism or theft of remains is done. It might well be seen as a conflict of interest if Anaxes sends vessels.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Wednesday, 09 Nov 2011, 3:51 AM | Message # 12 |
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| While I am not a speciesist, I would like to jump the gun and mention that there might be considerable concern in the Empire in allowing Aliens to guard the graves of humans? Not an objection I share but one which is widespread in the Empire and so worth discussing in debate.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Wednesday, 09 Nov 2011, 5:02 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Absolutely, I don't want to see green lizards guarding the bodies of these people, how much more could we insult them?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Sunday, 13 Nov 2011, 3:50 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I see no issue with Senator Domon watching out for the graves. His people are as capable as any, and it would be good public relations. Barring that, I'd claim the task for Druckenwell to take. We stand on formality, and all of Druckenwell is saddened by the loss of Aeeq. This is a tragedy that must be averted in the future. Trust me, gentlebeings, that we must work together to prevent further catastrophes.
Lomen Ryuun
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Representative, Geridard
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Sunday, 13 Nov 2011, 4:40 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Senator Domon, regardless that he is non-human, have the resources to ensure that such faith is well placed. I have no problem with him placing vessels. And also as such, Dantooine stands ready to assist.
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