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Legitimization of Sluis Sector Authority
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 20 Dec 2011, 4:45 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Gentlebeings of the Senate,
It has come to my attention via Senator Cambrist that the Khedive of Sluis Van is not recognized as a legitimate ruler over the Sluis Sector. This, as you can see, presents a problem, as it appears that it any would could raid or pillage the Sluis Sector without fear of recrimination. We ask that the Senate vote to legitimize the authority of the Khedive so that we might better improve the Sluis Sector without our citizens, both human and Sluissi, needing to fear outside influences.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 20 Dec 2011, 5:35 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Gentle beings,
I am as many will know a man who is of the most moderate leanings, and I am keen to state that I personally do have full confidence in the Khedive of the Sluis Sector. I am though rather hesitant for the Empire to endorse the ruler of a Sector about who we know nothing, aside from that his predecessor backed the doctrine of secession.
Also, your citizens are Imperial citizens, why would they need to fear "outside influences"? I fear that while this motion may have been made with the best of intentions it has far ranging consequences. Personally I do not believe the Empire should endorse a sector leader who is not an Imperial officer (and who has been through the thorough vetting required for that position).
My question then is what compelling reason is there for the Empire to endorse this particular sector ruler?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Tuesday, 20 Dec 2011, 3:48 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Domon, records show that the position of Khedive was lain to rest at the end of the Clone Wars when the Empire was established. The question that must be asked now is why would the Senate revive a position and title that the Empire had lain to rest when an Imperial Governor or Moff was put in charge of the Sluis Sector? Do you believe that this Imperial Administrator is not performing his duties properly in the Sector?
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 21 Dec 2011, 10:44 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Unless I'm mistaken, I believe Mr. Goodchild is. To my knowledge the "Khedive" of the Sluis Sector was never abolished and no Moff has been appointed in its place. Moving on, I agree tangentially with Senator Terrawin about the fear of "outside influences." Even if the Sluis Sector doesn't have a Moff, its worlds are still Imperial worlds and have the rights and responsibilities of Imperial worlds including a right not to be frivolously attacked (the laws pertaining to the notification of the use of force, etc.). I'm not sure this is a persuasive line of argument from Senator Domon, though I can see a case being made for this "Khedive" out of tradition, perhaps. Though here too Senator Terrawin is correct that, recently, this has been a tradition of Separatism. I wonder if the "Khedive" supports Sluis Van's new design, evoking as it does a Separatist tool of conquest? The answer to this question could be instructive to the decision the Senate makes on this issue.
Regardless, I feel the Senate's decision should not be binding, as the Empire should also be heard on this. Needless to say, I'll support the Empire's decision.
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Wednesday, 21 Dec 2011, 10:50 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Senator Cambrist, information shows that the Khedive has not ruled the Sluis Sector since the end of the Clone Wars when the Empire was established, unless this information is also erroneous.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 21 Dec 2011, 11:18 AM | Message # 6 |
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| I think it's a misreading, and one that I almost made too when I first read this. I certainly don't blame you for the error, but while the power of the "Khedive" has perhaps diminished since the Clone Wars, as we can see the "Khedive" remains very much in power. Well, "power." That is what we're here to discuss.
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 22 Dec 2011, 5:54 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Senator Terrawin, the loyal Imperial citizens of the Sluis Sector do not fear outside influences as per the norm. The reason they fear is that planets such as Brentaal can simply come to our worlds, Praesitlyn in this case, and begin mining operations in the businesses and communities of already-settled human and Sluissi locals; threaten their business and buy up tracts of land currently being lived on all because Brentaal and the Empire4 apparently do not recognize the authority of the Khedive. What comes next, then, I ask? Brentaal claiming our defense fleet is outlawed because we have no 'recognized leader'? Claims that we cannot sell our produce because without a 'recognized leader' we are simply animals? The consequences are far-reaching for us, Senators.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 23 Dec 2011, 9:59 AM | Message # 8 |
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| I believe it would be more appropriate to appoint a fair and even handed Sector Governor. One who is not steeped in the traditions and perhaps bias of the Sluissi nor who carries any attachment to Brentaal. I believe what this Sector needs instead of a "Khedive" is an Imperial Moff to fairly rule the sector from a more detached perspective.
After all, must not the system be impartially controlled? And I think it is clear that a Sluissi would be biased in favour of his fellow lizards?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Sunday, 25 Dec 2011, 0:09 AM | Message # 9 |
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| The Khedive is the traditional authority of the sector, and has been for quite some time. From a demographic standpoint, it is logical that the governing authority of the Sluis Sector should, indeed, be Sluissi, as the Sluissi comprise most of the Sector's population. I see the imposition of a Moff of the Sluis Sector only upsetting the time-honored authority of that Sector, which has served the Empire well since the ousting of the former Khedive who, we all acknowledge, was far too sympathetic to the Confederacy. But the sins of the predecessor should not be visited upon his successor, and I support formal recognition of the current Khedive of the Sluis Sector. I vote in favor.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Sunday, 25 Dec 2011, 1:36 AM | Message # 10 |
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| I can agree easily with Representative Vanden. The Sluis Sector has been a profitable member of the Empire. I'll admit, of course, that Brentaal has made comparisons between Druckenwell and Sluis Van that might have cast Sluis Van in a less-than-favorable light, and I'll remind all Senators that Druckenwell is a much, much smaller shipyard world than Sluis Van. That being said, I am in favor of this measure as well.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 25 Dec 2011, 7:44 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Senator Ordan, why am I not surprised to see you prejudiced toward the nonhumans? I call to order for his snare remarks toward Senator Domon. We should not judge the natives of Sluis Van based on their appearances. That's a typical ignorant attitude. One that should not be tolerant. Besides, we should judge based on the actions they have taken. Sometimes, traditions are very important and plays a part in modern society. While a Khedive had supported the Separatists and secessionism in the past, I am pretty certain the current Khedive would not be appointed if he wasn't pro-Imperial. If we are to appoint a Moff, it would only aggravate the Sector. We would show we do not trust in their own government for doing what's proper. I say we allow this Khedive run on a trial basis.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 25 Dec 2011, 8:07 AM | Message # 12 |
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| I am not being speciesist in any way, and I demand an apology. To refer to the Sluissi as lizards is their correct biological nomenclature for their family. Just as if you called me a "mammal" it would be a correct description, so is this for the Sluissi. There is no question that reptiles think in a different way to mammals, and that they generally have a different set of priorities.
With this said, I believe appointing a Sluissi Khedive would be showing unwarranted favour to the Sluissi of the Sector, and would effectively tell humans "this place is not for you". So far as I have seen the Khedive is unelected and represents only the Sluissi of the Sector (and then only indirectly). I wouldn't want to be ruled by an alien overlord who was never elected, and I think the non-sluissi (yes, Including other aliens) deserve better than to be ruled by a Sluissi tyrant.
I find it ironic that the self professed "Liberal" Tremaine Fowlkes is opposing an elected Imperial Governor who would be unbiased and is favouring tyranny "on a trial basis". How would you feel if the Senator put an unelected Sluissi in charge of your sector on a "trial basis"?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Sunday, 25 Dec 2011, 8:43 AM | Message # 13 |
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| It is fair of Senator Ordan to say we do think differently, though calling us 'lizards' is as insulting as if we compared humans to Kowakian monkey-lizards always chittering and never being silent. I believe that we think things through more, being, as some would assume, cold-bloded, if you'll pardon the joke. As it stands, Senator Ordan, the Khedive is elected and voted on by both human and Sluissi population. The running for Khedive is and has been open to humans as well, though few, if any, choose to run.
Despite the species of the Khedive, all beings are represented fairly within the Sluis Sector. To call the Khedive a tyrant and assume he is both unelected and, as you say, an 'alien overlord' and a 'Sluissi tyrant' only shows your ignorance, Senator Ordan. Perhaps you should be better read before you make such commentary that only lowers peoples' opinions of yourself.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 25 Dec 2011, 9:38 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Do not twist my beliefs, Senator Ordan. I never said I was opposing appointing a Moff or a Governor. Let me twist your words for a moment here. What if appointing a Moff or a Governor is worse than letting a Obscure run? What if this Imperial is biased and likes to rule the sector with an iron fist? All I am saying is to give the Obscure a chance before deciding whether to appoint an Imperial in his place. Like Senator Domon had said here, he guy was elected. So before you go out making unwarranted objections and twisting my words, READ.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 25 Dec 2011, 9:45 AM | Message # 15 |
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| My point is that it's not really appropriate for us to intervene at all! But if there is compelling reason to intervene let us do so to install a Moff. I do not believe that the present situation requires any involvement from the Senate. Recognising the Khedive would be inappropriate, and an intervention in the ongoing dispute with Brentaal. It's not the senate's business tiger involved here so why don't we do what I propose. Let's stay out of the Sluis Sector, let's not pick sides. I say we allow things to stay as they are now. Not recognising an official either way, the Sector has been fine for the past 10 years with this situation. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Senator Hubert Ordan
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